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I’m curious about Tesla over hyping certain maturity of their tech and other things. They appear to me to dress up non-functional prototypes and make big events

I’m curious about Tesla over hyping certain maturity of their tech and other things. They appear to me to dress up non-functional prototypes and make big events around them, only showing the feature in a certain, controlled environment. Sort of like a magician creating an illusion. How many years now has Tesla claimed that full autonomous driving will be ready by the end of the year? They sell a lot of that “software” which to me appears to be vapor ware and they claim the price will rise when the tech is GA’d so you should buy now. It just seems suspicious to me. Even the giga-factories don’t look anything like the designs they promoted. They look like, well every other car factory. I get that they don’t advertise so they smartly generate hype in other ways. Wasn’t Audi the first company to sell a level 3 car?

brisance 6y ago
> They look like, well every other car factory. They're worse. Please, identify a modern car factory that builds cars in a tent.
- sjwright 6y ago
  Given how critically successful the Model 3 is, maybe more companies need to start building their cars in tents too. (Or maybe... just maybe... the construction method of your factory walls doesn’t actually matter so much?)
postingawayonhn 6y ago
> Even the giga-factories don’t look anything like the designs they promoted. They look like, well every other car factory. It turns out there's a reason factories look the way they do. Much better to design the production process first and then fit a building around it than to try and fit the production process into a pre-designed building that's made too look pretty.
- itsoktocry 6y ago
  >Much better to design the production process first and then fit a building around it than to try and fit the production process into a pre-designed building that's made too look pretty. What do you base this off of? What "magic" production processes are Tesla utilizing that other OEMs are not? Aren't EVs far simpler to assemble? Tesla are building some of the lowest-rated cars out there in terms of fit and finish. Why do you believe they are doing anything from that end "better" than other manufacturers?
nickik 6y ago
> They appear to me to dress up non-functional prototypes and make big events around them, only showing the feature in a certain, controlled environment. Any evidence for that? That a hell of an accusation. Since literally the Roaster Tesla offered test rides on all of these vehicles. The Roadster 2, Cybertruck and so on all were driving around costumers all night. They were fully functional. The Tesla Semi is regularly transporting things between California and Nevada. Now can we prove that the prototype Cybertruck could do the most hardcore rally in the world? No, but calling them non-function is just laying unless you have evidence to back it up. > How many years now has Tesla claimed that full autonomous driving will be ready by the end of the year? Elon is overconfident about AI, everybody knows that. If you don't believe it, don't buy it. Also the revenue they get from FSD is not actually realized unless they deliver on the features. > Even the giga-factories don’t look anything like the designs they promoted. They look like, well every other car factory. Elon has admired that he was wrong how easy it was to speed up production on Model 3. He took the blame for that mistake and since then they have worked and improved their production capability. That is not a costumer features, and the reality is for no other company would you ever even get that information. For other car companies they release a press conference 'car delayed 6 month' not telling you why.
- nemo44x 6y ago
  The glass broke on the Cybertruck. The course was closed as well and you couldn’t drive the vehicle. You could only be a passenger. Their solar shingles are where? The semi was to be in production 2 years ago. There are serious doubts it’s even viable for long haul. The battery swap demo has never materialized and there’s doubt it is feasible. They continue to show photos of a sleek, modern giga-factory with solar panel roofs. Meanwhile their factories look like any other car factory. Their self driving tech has some cool demos of what the computer “sees” but there’s no evidence it’s close to being available or that it’s any better than where other companies like GM are with the tech. I’m not trying to dump on Tesla - they’ve done a lot to push the industry forward. I’m just saying I think they generate a lot of hype but don’t deliver and they may have people confused on where they really are.
  - nickik 6y ago

brisance 6y ago

> They look like, well every other car factory. They're worse. Please, identify a modern car factory that builds cars in a tent.

sjwright 6y ago
Given how critically successful the Model 3 is, maybe more companies need to start building their cars in tents too. (Or maybe... just maybe... the construction method of your factory walls doesn’t actually matter so much?)

postingawayonhn 6y ago

> Even the giga-factories don’t look anything like the designs they promoted. They look like, well every other car factory. It turns out there's a reason factories look the way they do. Much better to design the production process first and then fit a building around it than to try and fit the production process into a pre-designed building that's made too look pretty.

itsoktocry 6y ago
>Much better to design the production process first and then fit a building around it than to try and fit the production process into a pre-designed building that's made too look pretty. What do you base this off of? What "magic" production processes are Tesla utilizing that other OEMs are not? Aren't EVs far simpler to assemble? Tesla are building some of the lowest-rated cars out there in terms of fit and finish. Why do you believe they are doing anything from that end "better" than other manufacturers?

nickik 6y ago

> They appear to me to dress up non-functional prototypes and make big events around them, only showing the feature in a certain, controlled environment. Any evidence for that? That a hell of an accusation. Since literally the Roaster Tesla offered test rides on all of these vehicles. The Roadster 2, Cybertruck and so on all were driving around costumers all night. They were fully functional. The Tesla Semi is regularly transporting things between California and Nevada. Now can we prove that the prototype Cybertruck could do the most hardcore rally in the world? No, but calling them non-function is just laying unless you have evidence to back it up. > How many years now has Tesla claimed that full autonomous driving will be ready by the end of the year? Elon is overconfident about AI, everybody knows that. If you don't believe it, don't buy it. Also the revenue they get from FSD is not actually realized unless they deliver on the features. > Even the giga-factories don’t look anything like the designs they promoted. They look like, well every other car factory. Elon has admired that he was wrong how easy it was to speed up production on Model 3. He took the blame for that mistake and since then they have worked and improved their production capability. That is not a costumer features, and the reality is for no other company would you ever even get that information. For other car companies they release a press conference 'car delayed 6 month' not telling you why.

nemo44x 6y ago
The glass broke on the Cybertruck. The course was closed as well and you couldn’t drive the vehicle. You could only be a passenger. Their solar shingles are where? The semi was to be in production 2 years ago. There are serious doubts it’s even viable for long haul. The battery swap demo has never materialized and there’s doubt it is feasible. They continue to show photos of a sleek, modern giga-factory with solar panel roofs. Meanwhile their factories look like any other car factory. Their self driving tech has some cool demos of what the computer “sees” but there’s no evidence it’s close to being available or that it’s any better than where other companies like GM are with the tech. I’m not trying to dump on Tesla - they’ve done a lot to push the industry forward. I’m just saying I think they generate a lot of hype but don’t deliver and they may have people confused on where they really are.
- nickik 6y ago