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Linux was developed by finnish guy and the www protocol was developed by a brit.

by ainiriand 6y ago

warrenq 6y ago
30 years ago and 40 years ago, respectively
- lixtra 6y ago
  30 years ago you would have said that Microsoft dominates and www is a niche thing. And Turing was already 50 years ago. It’s likely that something significant is going on in Europe that we don’t know about yet.
  - srtjstjsj 6y ago
    It's easy to point to hundred-billion dollar projects in the US from the last 20 years.
    - pas 6y ago
      LHC at CERN (Switzerland), XFEL at DESY in Hamburg (Germany), ITER in France, etc. (probably all have a lot of non-EU funding though) The EU Horizon 2020 budget is 70 billion EUR, spent over basically 6 years. Around 80 billion is now being spent as post-pandemic stimulus, but less than what was proposed by the Commission. That said, you're probably right that US pumps hundreds of billions into "innovation" (let's say R&D) whereas it's just a hundred for the EU. Fortunately the EU is catching up, but alas it's not because it's so aggressively allocating more for R&D, though the trend is positive, but the US' trend is at best flat, maybe even negative: https://ec.europa.eu/eurostat/statistics-explained/index.php/R_%26_D_expenditure https://ec.europa.eu/eurostat/statistics-explained/index.php... (Of course these are GDP percentages, and since the US' economy is bigger, the absolute numbers are a lot bigger for the US. And that's why even though Japan's percentage looks best, their absolute amount is below what the EU spends on R&D.)
realityking 6y ago
Interesting that you picked two examples where the innovation wasn’t commercialized and the innovator did not become rich. I suspect there‘s some cultural aspect to that.
- nicoburns 6y ago
  IMO this is a big difference: I'd actually feel quit bad about becoming rich off th back oef a technology or innovation that I could have made more open and widely available.
  - srtjstjsj 6y ago
    Would you say Windows is not widely available?
- SSLy 6y ago
  Uhm, Linus makes seven figures.
  - srtjstjsj 6y ago
    And his nearest peers made 10 figures.
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Linux was developed by finnish guy and the www protocol was developed by a brit.

warrenq 6y ago

30 years ago and 40 years ago, respectively

lixtra 6y ago
30 years ago you would have said that Microsoft dominates and www is a niche thing. And Turing was already 50 years ago. It’s likely that something significant is going on in Europe that we don’t know about yet.
- srtjstjsj 6y ago
  It's easy to point to hundred-billion dollar projects in the US from the last 20 years.
  - pas 6y ago
    LHC at CERN (Switzerland), XFEL at DESY in Hamburg (Germany), ITER in France, etc. (probably all have a lot of non-EU funding though) The EU Horizon 2020 budget is 70 billion EUR, spent over basically 6 years. Around 80 billion is now being spent as post-pandemic stimulus, but less than what was proposed by the Commission. That said, you're probably right that US pumps hundreds of billions into "innovation" (let's say R&D) whereas it's just a hundred for the EU. Fortunately the EU is catching up, but alas it's not because it's so aggressively allocating more for R&D, though the trend is positive, but the US' trend is at best flat, maybe even negative: https://ec.europa.eu/eurostat/statistics-explained/index.php/R_%26_D_expenditure https://ec.europa.eu/eurostat/statistics-explained/index.php... (Of course these are GDP percentages, and since the US' economy is bigger, the absolute numbers are a lot bigger for the US. And that's why even though Japan's percentage looks best, their absolute amount is below what the EU spends on R&D.)

realityking 6y ago

Interesting that you picked two examples where the innovation wasn’t commercialized and the innovator did not become rich. I suspect there‘s some cultural aspect to that.

nicoburns 6y ago
IMO this is a big difference: I'd actually feel quit bad about becoming rich off th back oef a technology or innovation that I could have made more open and widely available.
- srtjstjsj 6y ago
  Would you say Windows is not widely available?
SSLy 6y ago
Uhm, Linus makes seven figures.
- srtjstjsj 6y ago
  And his nearest peers made 10 figures.

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