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A big part of the Chinese education strategy has been to send lots of students to US universities to get advanced degrees and take that knowledge back to build

A big part of the Chinese education strategy has been to send lots of students to US universities to get advanced degrees and take that knowledge back to build China.

donw 6y ago
And to ensure that manufacturing moved to China! Or at the very least, proximate to its geographical sphere of influence. Honestly, it was a brilliant move on their part. Everybody seems to focus on university, but there is a lot of very hard-won know-how at the technician level of the manufacturing sector. Most of this is difficult-to-impossible to codify, and tends to pass both cohort-to-cohort, and via professional networks.
- pvaldes 6y ago
  > A big part of the Chinese education strategy has been to send lots of students to US universities to get advanced degrees and take that knowledge back to build China. >> And to ensure that manufacturing moved to China! Of course they did. But, to be fair: 1) Those students were not educated for free. They paid big money for it, and the universities were happy to grab the money fast 2) Some of this people were forced to go after their student visa expired. They could not work in US without a permit and were forced to exit. How to blame them for using their degree or creating a company in their own country later? They shouldn't be seen as neither serfs nor slaves; technically they don't owe anything to US.
  - donw 6y ago
    > They paid big money for it, and the universities were happy to grab the money fast And how. International students in the US pay outrageous tuition fees. > Some of this people were forced to go after their student visa expired. That's what happened to my wife. By comparison, my visa in Japan was dead simple. No lawyers required. The message that the US sends to international students is something like: "Thank you for ponying up all that money, for spending a year learning the language well enough to go to school, and for spending four years integrating into our language and culture. Now get the fuck out." > How to blame them for using their degree or creating a company in their own country later? Um... who is blaming who for what? I don't follow. > They shouldn't be seen as neither serfs nor slaves; technically they don't owe anything to US. Why would anybody think that international students owe anything to the country where they studied?

A big part of the Chinese education strategy has been to send lots of students to US universities to get advanced degrees and take that knowledge back to build China.

donw 6y ago

And to ensure that manufacturing moved to China! Or at the very least, proximate to its geographical sphere of influence. Honestly, it was a brilliant move on their part. Everybody seems to focus on university, but there is a lot of very hard-won know-how at the technician level of the manufacturing sector. Most of this is difficult-to-impossible to codify, and tends to pass both cohort-to-cohort, and via professional networks.

pvaldes 6y ago
> A big part of the Chinese education strategy has been to send lots of students to US universities to get advanced degrees and take that knowledge back to build China. >> And to ensure that manufacturing moved to China! Of course they did. But, to be fair: 1) Those students were not educated for free. They paid big money for it, and the universities were happy to grab the money fast 2) Some of this people were forced to go after their student visa expired. They could not work in US without a permit and were forced to exit. How to blame them for using their degree or creating a company in their own country later? They shouldn't be seen as neither serfs nor slaves; technically they don't owe anything to US.
- donw 6y ago
  > They paid big money for it, and the universities were happy to grab the money fast And how. International students in the US pay outrageous tuition fees. > Some of this people were forced to go after their student visa expired. That's what happened to my wife. By comparison, my visa in Japan was dead simple. No lawyers required. The message that the US sends to international students is something like: "Thank you for ponying up all that money, for spending a year learning the language well enough to go to school, and for spending four years integrating into our language and culture. Now get the fuck out." > How to blame them for using their degree or creating a company in their own country later? Um... who is blaming who for what? I don't follow. > They shouldn't be seen as neither serfs nor slaves; technically they don't owe anything to US. Why would anybody think that international students owe anything to the country where they studied?