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This. The FAANG crowd is used to pulling down $100k-$150k. Developer jobs that are advertised as remote from day one tend to be closer to $50k-$70k. (These nu

by wtracy 6y ago

This. The FAANG crowd is used to pulling down $100k-$150k. Developer jobs that are advertised as remote from day one tend to be closer to $50k-$70k. (These numbers are based on a combination of rumors and job board postings, so no, I don't have a source to cite.)

rabidrat 6y ago
Erm, in my experience (20 years, good but not a superstar) the numbers are 2x that. My last BigCo offer was $300k total comp and jobs with smaller companies (all remote) were around $120-150k. One startup offered me $190k to work remote (but I would have been the only remote worker). That said, I agree that your average non-FAANG job pays about half of FAANG. Although this is true regardless of remote-ness.
- tolbish 6y ago
  You are getting those offers because of your 20 years of experience, not because remote work is inherently lucrative. Most people with 10 or fewer years of experience are used to seeing remote-only offers of less than $100k.
  - _t0du 6y ago
    I have less than 20 years experience (less than 10 even) and I have gotten/seen a bunch of offers/jobs/etc with remote-only or remote-first over 100k
    - tolbish 6y ago
      Do you believe your experience is common, or that you are an outlier?
      - _t0du 6y ago
        It's less me, and more the experience of myself, my close friends and professional colleagues. But as with everything, I would assume it's a mix of both.
        tolbish 6y ago
        Can you speak more about these experiences? Are these colleagues from average or elite schools? FAANG type backgrounds or typical corp resumes?
        _t0du 6y ago
        No, we're all pretty average people. Mediocre colleges with mediocre degrees and mediocre working histories.
alexbanks 6y ago
This comment is all kinds of wrong. FAANG is "used to" pulling down anywhere from 150-400k. On the flipside, many many remote jobs pay significantly more than you're describing, more in line with every other non-FAANG developer jobs. If you're just looking at those poorly managed "Remote Job Board" sites, of course you'll think that, because most of those jobs are just subcontracts and gig-type roles. Yes, there'll be a COL difference, but it's not like you're describing. Gitlab, as an example, pays a Data Engineer in nowhere Indiana 90-120k for remote work.
anon9001 6y ago
I work for a big company you've heard of as a developer. I'm fully remote since pre-pandemic and plan to stay fully remote indefinitely. If you're a good developer with experience, it doesn't really matter where you are. I actually get paid more total comp than I would in SF, my cost of living is lower, and my tax situation is much better.
- shajznnckfke 6y ago
  This is interesting, they pay you extra to not live in SF?
  - anon9001 6y ago
    Sorry I missed your reply, but technically, yeah. Being remote when I switched jobs gave me an absolutely great negotiating posture. I didn't even have to leave the house, and it's not as if I was stepping away from my desk to make secret phone calls. Plus I could work anywhere in the world, so it became about company selection and negotiation. Once I found the company and nailed the interviews, I got an offer ~30% lower than the SF salary because of CoL adjustment. My position was that if my salary could be offset by much riskier equity (aka more than the 30% cut, but essentially free for the company), I would accept the position. So I ended up getting a larger total comp than would have been available to me in SF. Also I don't even need 50% of my salary to live outside of CA anyway, so it's a major lifestyle upgrade. This only works because I get to choose any company in the world. That means the equity I get is something I would have invested in anyway given the opportunity. For the first time in my career I feel that I negotiated well and have confidence in my employer, and it never would have happened by just being another dev in the bay area.

by wtracy 6y ago

rabidrat 6y ago

Erm, in my experience (20 years, good but not a superstar) the numbers are 2x that. My last BigCo offer was $300k total comp and jobs with smaller companies (all remote) were around $120-150k. One startup offered me $190k to work remote (but I would have been the only remote worker). That said, I agree that your average non-FAANG job pays about half of FAANG. Although this is true regardless of remote-ness.

tolbish 6y ago
You are getting those offers because of your 20 years of experience, not because remote work is inherently lucrative. Most people with 10 or fewer years of experience are used to seeing remote-only offers of less than $100k.
- _t0du 6y ago
  I have less than 20 years experience (less than 10 even) and I have gotten/seen a bunch of offers/jobs/etc with remote-only or remote-first over 100k
  - tolbish 6y ago
    Do you believe your experience is common, or that you are an outlier?
    - _t0du 6y ago
      It's less me, and more the experience of myself, my close friends and professional colleagues. But as with everything, I would assume it's a mix of both.
      - tolbish 6y ago
        Can you speak more about these experiences? Are these colleagues from average or elite schools? FAANG type backgrounds or typical corp resumes?
        _t0du 6y ago
        No, we're all pretty average people. Mediocre colleges with mediocre degrees and mediocre working histories.

alexbanks 6y ago

This comment is all kinds of wrong. FAANG is "used to" pulling down anywhere from 150-400k. On the flipside, many many remote jobs pay significantly more than you're describing, more in line with every other non-FAANG developer jobs. If you're just looking at those poorly managed "Remote Job Board" sites, of course you'll think that, because most of those jobs are just subcontracts and gig-type roles. Yes, there'll be a COL difference, but it's not like you're describing. Gitlab, as an example, pays a Data Engineer in nowhere Indiana 90-120k for remote work.

anon9001 6y ago

I work for a big company you've heard of as a developer. I'm fully remote since pre-pandemic and plan to stay fully remote indefinitely. If you're a good developer with experience, it doesn't really matter where you are. I actually get paid more total comp than I would in SF, my cost of living is lower, and my tax situation is much better.

shajznnckfke 6y ago
This is interesting, they pay you extra to not live in SF?
- anon9001 6y ago
  Sorry I missed your reply, but technically, yeah. Being remote when I switched jobs gave me an absolutely great negotiating posture. I didn't even have to leave the house, and it's not as if I was stepping away from my desk to make secret phone calls. Plus I could work anywhere in the world, so it became about company selection and negotiation. Once I found the company and nailed the interviews, I got an offer ~30% lower than the SF salary because of CoL adjustment. My position was that if my salary could be offset by much riskier equity (aka more than the 30% cut, but essentially free for the company), I would accept the position. So I ended up getting a larger total comp than would have been available to me in SF. Also I don't even need 50% of my salary to live outside of CA anyway, so it's a major lifestyle upgrade. This only works because I get to choose any company in the world. That means the equity I get is something I would have invested in anyway given the opportunity. For the first time in my career I feel that I negotiated well and have confidence in my employer, and it never would have happened by just being another dev in the bay area.