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Perhaps presentation is the wrong word, lets say "talk" instead. Not even a requirement to have anything graphical, just a long form discussion followed by Q&A

Perhaps presentation is the wrong word, lets say "talk" instead. Not even a requirement to have anything graphical, just a long form discussion followed by Q&A afterwards.

marcinzm 6y ago
Doesn't matter. The people who do well will spend 5+ hours on it since that is how long it takes to put together a talk, refine it, go through it a couple times, get feedback, adjust based on feedback and so on.
- RandoHolmes 6y ago
  I went through the process and spent probably 30 minutes and that was mostly trying to decide which topic to talk about and then typing up a sheet for notes to guide me during the talk. If someone is spending 5+ hours on this then they don't really know or have opinions about any of the topics and that doesn't seem right for common technical topics. As far as I'm concerned, this is you trying your hardest to have the most negative view on something that's mostly innocuous that you can. You're making it sound as if we would then take them into the next room and beat them until their morale improved.
  - marcinzm 6y ago
    >As far as I'm concerned, this is you trying your hardest to have the most negative view on something that's mostly innocuous that you can. You're making it sound as if we would then take them into the next room and beat them until their morale improved. If this is your reaction to someone stating their initial view of your proposal and their perceived issues with it then okay I guess. Not sure why you posted something on a discussion forum when that's how you react to any negativity about it. Anyway, don't see much point in talking with you.
    - RandoHolmes 6y ago
      This is just another defensive technique designed to try and get me on my back foot. I've been online 25-30 years and I've seen all the variations of this you can imagine. You're certainly not the first person to try and turn a discussion into a meta-discussion. So with that being said. If you read back over the conversation you'll see that when the initial negative statement was made I realized how presentation could have been misinterpreted as "powerpoint presentation" rather than simply a long form discussion and therefore I responded with a clarification. Up to this point, all reasonable. You could have chosen to respond with something along the lines of "If the time commitment was too onerous I'd probably opt out", or some variation thereof, at which point I would have further clarified. Instead you declared, with authority, that only the ones spending an onerous amount of time on it would do well. This was a completely unreasonable response with undue negativity and unfairness. At which point I responded that I've actually gone through this process and it only took 30 minutes. I then pointed out the unreasonableness and unfairness you were exhibiting. The thing is this. After having declared that I've gone through it myself and it only took 30 minutes, you had no authority to fall back on, so you went meta and started with an attack on my character. So here we are ... doing the meta thing. I will not be responding to you further, and it's probably best that you don't respond to me further as well.
      - anonyawawawa 6y ago
        My God you are a pretentious twat, I would never want to work with you.

Perhaps presentation is the wrong word, lets say "talk" instead. Not even a requirement to have anything graphical, just a long form discussion followed by Q&A afterwards.

marcinzm 6y ago

Doesn't matter. The people who do well will spend 5+ hours on it since that is how long it takes to put together a talk, refine it, go through it a couple times, get feedback, adjust based on feedback and so on.

RandoHolmes 6y ago
I went through the process and spent probably 30 minutes and that was mostly trying to decide which topic to talk about and then typing up a sheet for notes to guide me during the talk. If someone is spending 5+ hours on this then they don't really know or have opinions about any of the topics and that doesn't seem right for common technical topics. As far as I'm concerned, this is you trying your hardest to have the most negative view on something that's mostly innocuous that you can. You're making it sound as if we would then take them into the next room and beat them until their morale improved.
- marcinzm 6y ago
  >As far as I'm concerned, this is you trying your hardest to have the most negative view on something that's mostly innocuous that you can. You're making it sound as if we would then take them into the next room and beat them until their morale improved. If this is your reaction to someone stating their initial view of your proposal and their perceived issues with it then okay I guess. Not sure why you posted something on a discussion forum when that's how you react to any negativity about it. Anyway, don't see much point in talking with you.
  - RandoHolmes 6y ago
    This is just another defensive technique designed to try and get me on my back foot. I've been online 25-30 years and I've seen all the variations of this you can imagine. You're certainly not the first person to try and turn a discussion into a meta-discussion. So with that being said. If you read back over the conversation you'll see that when the initial negative statement was made I realized how presentation could have been misinterpreted as "powerpoint presentation" rather than simply a long form discussion and therefore I responded with a clarification. Up to this point, all reasonable. You could have chosen to respond with something along the lines of "If the time commitment was too onerous I'd probably opt out", or some variation thereof, at which point I would have further clarified. Instead you declared, with authority, that only the ones spending an onerous amount of time on it would do well. This was a completely unreasonable response with undue negativity and unfairness. At which point I responded that I've actually gone through this process and it only took 30 minutes. I then pointed out the unreasonableness and unfairness you were exhibiting. The thing is this. After having declared that I've gone through it myself and it only took 30 minutes, you had no authority to fall back on, so you went meta and started with an attack on my character. So here we are ... doing the meta thing. I will not be responding to you further, and it's probably best that you don't respond to me further as well.
    - anonyawawawa 6y ago
      My God you are a pretentious twat, I would never want to work with you.