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> i could be fired for posting. Yikes, that's rather dramatic! Especially since all you've said is "we're working to fix it. changes soon." That's a pretty har
by rexpop 6y ago
> i could be fired for posting.
Yikes, that's rather dramatic! Especially since all you've said is "we're working to fix it. changes soon." That's a pretty harmless statement, I would think.
What gives you the idea that such statements put your employment at risk?
- Infinitesimus 6y agoIt might be the general fear present in some Amazon corp offices? (PIP stories, etc.)
- rexpop 6y ago> general fear present I don't know about this. Is it documented, or have you "heard it through the grapevine," so-to-speak?
- Infinitesimus 6y agoJust the minority of people who had bad experiences and shared them. Stack ranking almost always creates such environments.
- toyg 6y ago> there are very few of us. we are trying This implies support for Goodreads at Amazon is very thin. It could be read as a critical statement (even though it's pretty clear to everyone that the site very clearly stagnated since the acquisition, focusing almost exclusively on Kindle integration). Amazon management is famously militaristic in attitude and would likely take action against a low-level employee criticizing the company in public
- rexpop 6y ago> management is famously militaristic Although I know that Amazon is hiring intelligence operatives[0] to bust unions, this aspect (militaristic middle management) is news to me. Where can I learn more? 0. https://www.theverge.com/2020/9/1/21417401/amazon-job-listing-delete-labor-organizing-threat-union https://www.theverge.com/2020/9/1/21417401/amazon-job-listin...
- toyg 6y agoThey have a recruitment scheme directly targeted: https://www.amazon.jobs/en-gb/military https://www.amazon.jobs/en-gb/military I'm pretty sure it was also reported in the past that Bezos traditionally favored ex-military for manager positions when Amazon was starting, but I cannot find a source atm (seems like yesterday to me but more than 20 years have since passed...).
- paulcole 6y ago> we know it is bad today This is the kind of thing companies love their employees to share publicly!
- rexpop 6y agoI think you are being sarcastic, which is unhelpful. In fact, there's a difference between "we know it is bad," and "we've no interest, either way." How should I know which is strategic to say, publicly? What reason does this employee have to think Amazon would retaliate against them making public statements about their own working life?
- sillysaurusx 6y agoI downvoted you but I feel bad for not explaining why. One of my memories: Being pulled into a side office and grilled for a half hour for posting a similarly harmless statement to HN. So your comment triggered mild PTSD. It's not your place as an individual employee to post about your employer. You work in a team setting. If the team decides it's appropriate to post to HN, then that's fine. But you alone do not get to decide that.
- sam_lynx 6y agoWhat? You are suggesting that a person is unable to share his personal experiences and opinions unless their employer agrees? Obviously this may damage the company, but personally I have no sympathy for a company worth billions of dollars who is not known for their fair treatment of workers at all. I see nothing immoral in the original commenter releasing this information.
- sillysaurusx 6y agoIt doesn't matter whether you see something immoral about it. Employers do punish employees for doing so.
- sam_lynx 6y agoYes, that is why he used a burner account.
- rexpop 6y ago> It's not your place Strange how your response to abuse isn't to warn us about abuse, but to moralize about the actions through which your abuser justified their emotional violence.