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Gates claims now (and then) the Government will stifle innovation, yet when innovation came in the form of Java, the first thing Gates did (as proven by evidenc

Gates claims now (and then) the Government will stifle innovation, yet when innovation came in the form of Java, the first thing Gates did (as proven by evidence) was to seek a way to destroy it. (because he was a man-child annoyed because he didn’t invent it, and couldn’t find a way to compete honestly). So he did what big bully’s do, he crushed Sun and got all his big boy friends to help. What a inspiration.

watwut 6y ago
I dont think it was just being man- child. It was being businessman in competition. Bullies do well in business.
dependenttypes 6y ago
Java was never a form of innovation.
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- bawolff 6y ago
  Java was very innovative at the time, with byte code and JIT, a more clear OO design relative to C++, embeddable safetly sandboxed web apps, memory safety in a "professional" language, cross platform binaries (in a non scripting language) etc. The mid 90's was a long time ago. What was exciting then is not exciting now.
  - dependenttypes 6y ago
    Everything that you mentioned was already available at the time in other languages. This is not innovation.
    - bawolff 6y ago
      But to what extent was it available in a polished package? For example, everything in rust was available in other languages, i would still say it was innovative because it brought all that together into a polished package that made the right tradeoffs for mainstream usage.
      - gok 6y ago
        Java? Polished?
      - dependenttypes 6y ago
        > But to what extent was it available in a polished package? To a large extent. Both Smalltalk and Erlang were mature at that point in time. > everything in rust was available in other languages I am not doubting you but are you aware of any other language with affine types? I am not.
    - smt88 6y ago
      What is the single language that had all these features?
      - dependenttypes 6y ago
        Smalltalk and Erlang for everything except the "webapps" part. For that there was flash.
        smt88 6y ago
        OK. Java did all of it, including the web apps.
        dependenttypes 6y ago
        Yes, we know that.
pravda 6y ago
>Gates claims now (and then) the Government will stifle innovation, "Innovation" when used by Gates in this context means "profits." And I think Bill's dislike for Java was only because it was a threat to the Windows OS monopoly. The appeal of Java, as I recall, was that you could run the same application on multiple platforms.

watwut 6y ago

I dont think it was just being man- child. It was being businessman in competition. Bullies do well in business.

dependenttypes 6y ago

Java was never a form of innovation.

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bawolff 6y ago
Java was very innovative at the time, with byte code and JIT, a more clear OO design relative to C++, embeddable safetly sandboxed web apps, memory safety in a "professional" language, cross platform binaries (in a non scripting language) etc. The mid 90's was a long time ago. What was exciting then is not exciting now.
- dependenttypes 6y ago
  Everything that you mentioned was already available at the time in other languages. This is not innovation.
  - bawolff 6y ago
    But to what extent was it available in a polished package? For example, everything in rust was available in other languages, i would still say it was innovative because it brought all that together into a polished package that made the right tradeoffs for mainstream usage.
    - gok 6y ago
      Java? Polished?
    - dependenttypes 6y ago
      > But to what extent was it available in a polished package? To a large extent. Both Smalltalk and Erlang were mature at that point in time. > everything in rust was available in other languages I am not doubting you but are you aware of any other language with affine types? I am not.
  - smt88 6y ago
    What is the single language that had all these features?
    - dependenttypes 6y ago
      Smalltalk and Erlang for everything except the "webapps" part. For that there was flash.
      - smt88 6y ago
        OK. Java did all of it, including the web apps.
        dependenttypes 6y ago
        Yes, we know that.

pravda 6y ago

>Gates claims now (and then) the Government will stifle innovation, "Innovation" when used by Gates in this context means "profits." And I think Bill's dislike for Java was only because it was a threat to the Windows OS monopoly. The appeal of Java, as I recall, was that you could run the same application on multiple platforms.