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Indeed. That is why I oppose mail in voting. It’s going to lead to civil unrest no matter who wins in November.

by jquery 6y ago

mulmen 6y ago
My state has been voting by mail for over thirty years with no problems. Absentee ballots are not new. This FUD will be what leads to unrest, please stop spreading it.
- jquery 6y ago
  We will likely have civil unrest. Don’t take my word for it. Here’s someone with access to much better data than me: https://www.forbes.com/sites/alisondurkee/2020/09/04/facebook-ceo-mark-zuckerberg-warns-of-violence-or-civil-unrest-after-election/ https://www.forbes.com/sites/alisondurkee/2020/09/04/faceboo... Putting your head in the sand won’t make it go away. Mail-in is a bad fucking idea. Trump suggested a way for his supporters to make sure their vote was counted and Twitter took the tweets down as “election manipulation”. Umm, what? So do mail-in ballots allow double voting or not? Twitter has also said they will remove any Tweets by trump if he claims victory “too early”. So that’s where we are now, huh? If Democrats were so damn confident they could win fair and square, why introduce this wild card? Changing to mail-in at the 13th hour is not the same as continuing a 30-year tradition. Besides, as others have pointed out, it has led to nakedly corrupt elections in other states (Washington state in 2004). Whenever you introduce the possibility of people being able to ballot harvest or “lose ballots” and those same people are taught that they are stopping literally Hitler it’s no surprise they do what they do. This whole last-minute rush for mail-in ballots stinks to high heaven and even if you think your side will benefit from it, we all lose when trust in our democracy is undermined. So no, I won’t just kindly shut up and let Democrats steal the election. Or Republicans for that matter. We should all be observing the ballot counting process but this god damn mail-in process means we can’t audit the process. That should scare you. If it doesn’t, you are way too naive.
PaulDavisThe1st 6y ago
Taking this seriously (which might be a bad idea), what level of mail in voting do you oppose? Are you 100% against it? What happens if someone will be out of their town/state/country for a few weeks around the election? Should they be able to vote by mail? What about students who are registered to vote at their parents address but live elsewhere? How about people who are sick and cannot safely make it to a polling station? How many of these sorts of cases are you OK with? Less than 1% of the total votes? 10%? 50%?
- jquery 6y ago
  I’m ok with absentee ballots, as long as they arrive before Election Day. I’m not ok with unsolicited mail-in ballots trickling in after Election Day which is what we are going to get. https://www.forbes.com/sites/alisondurkee/2020/09/04/facebook-ceo-mark-zuckerberg-warns-of-violence-or-civil-unrest-after-election/ https://www.forbes.com/sites/alisondurkee/2020/09/04/faceboo... Hell, just look at the article. It acknowledges the high costs of mail-in voting. Then engages in classic double-think to defend it: >“Trump has repeatedly baselessly claimed mail-in voting will lead to a “rigged” election—despite mail-in voter fraud being extremely rare—and decried the fact that the vote could take longer to count, saying the nation “must know election results on the night of the election.” >Facebook blocked videos of Trump encouraging North Carolina voters to vote twice—which election officials warned would be a felony—Thursday, but has not taken action on the president’s Facebook post making similar comments.“ Well which is it? Does mail-in lead to fraud or not? Trump’s allegations are apparently “baseless” but at the same time he got muzzled when he suggested his voters make sure their vote was counted. This is a fucking circus.
  - PaulDavisThe1st 6y ago
    "muzzled" ... the president of the united states of america was "muzzled" because FB blocked videos of him? are you serious?

Indeed. That is why I oppose mail in voting. It’s going to lead to civil unrest no matter who wins in November.

by jquery 6y ago

Indeed. That is why I oppose mail in voting. It’s going to lead to civil unrest no matter who wins in November.

My state has been voting by mail for over thirty years with no problems. Absentee ballots are not new. This FUD will be what leads to unrest, please stop spreading it.

jquery 6y ago
We will likely have civil unrest. Don’t take my word for it. Here’s someone with access to much better data than me: https://www.forbes.com/sites/alisondurkee/2020/09/04/facebook-ceo-mark-zuckerberg-warns-of-violence-or-civil-unrest-after-election/ https://www.forbes.com/sites/alisondurkee/2020/09/04/faceboo... Putting your head in the sand won’t make it go away. Mail-in is a bad fucking idea. Trump suggested a way for his supporters to make sure their vote was counted and Twitter took the tweets down as “election manipulation”. Umm, what? So do mail-in ballots allow double voting or not? Twitter has also said they will remove any Tweets by trump if he claims victory “too early”. So that’s where we are now, huh? If Democrats were so damn confident they could win fair and square, why introduce this wild card? Changing to mail-in at the 13th hour is not the same as continuing a 30-year tradition. Besides, as others have pointed out, it has led to nakedly corrupt elections in other states (Washington state in 2004). Whenever you introduce the possibility of people being able to ballot harvest or “lose ballots” and those same people are taught that they are stopping literally Hitler it’s no surprise they do what they do. This whole last-minute rush for mail-in ballots stinks to high heaven and even if you think your side will benefit from it, we all lose when trust in our democracy is undermined. So no, I won’t just kindly shut up and let Democrats steal the election. Or Republicans for that matter. We should all be observing the ballot counting process but this god damn mail-in process means we can’t audit the process. That should scare you. If it doesn’t, you are way too naive.

PaulDavisThe1st 6y ago

Taking this seriously (which might be a bad idea), what level of mail in voting do you oppose? Are you 100% against it? What happens if someone will be out of their town/state/country for a few weeks around the election? Should they be able to vote by mail? What about students who are registered to vote at their parents address but live elsewhere? How about people who are sick and cannot safely make it to a polling station? How many of these sorts of cases are you OK with? Less than 1% of the total votes? 10%? 50%?

jquery 6y ago
I’m ok with absentee ballots, as long as they arrive before Election Day. I’m not ok with unsolicited mail-in ballots trickling in after Election Day which is what we are going to get. https://www.forbes.com/sites/alisondurkee/2020/09/04/facebook-ceo-mark-zuckerberg-warns-of-violence-or-civil-unrest-after-election/ https://www.forbes.com/sites/alisondurkee/2020/09/04/faceboo... Hell, just look at the article. It acknowledges the high costs of mail-in voting. Then engages in classic double-think to defend it: >“Trump has repeatedly baselessly claimed mail-in voting will lead to a “rigged” election—despite mail-in voter fraud being extremely rare—and decried the fact that the vote could take longer to count, saying the nation “must know election results on the night of the election.” >Facebook blocked videos of Trump encouraging North Carolina voters to vote twice—which election officials warned would be a felony—Thursday, but has not taken action on the president’s Facebook post making similar comments.“ Well which is it? Does mail-in lead to fraud or not? Trump’s allegations are apparently “baseless” but at the same time he got muzzled when he suggested his voters make sure their vote was counted. This is a fucking circus.
- PaulDavisThe1st 6y ago
  "muzzled" ... the president of the united states of america was "muzzled" because FB blocked videos of him? are you serious?