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They shouldn't, the accountability should come with regulation ensuring fair competition and respect for user data, not just going ahead and reducing competitiv

They shouldn't, the accountability should come with regulation ensuring fair competition and respect for user data, not just going ahead and reducing competitiveness of US companies by breaking them up. I will be really surprised if Google sold their R&D to China, as it makes no sense whatsoever, but my comment was in general about all US big tech companies.

MiroF 6y ago
> the accountability should come with regulation ensuring fair competition and respect for user data Yes, so what we're saying is there's clear evidence that they have failed at adhering to those regulation, so should be broken up. > not just going ahead and reducing competitiveness of US companies by breaking them up. Siri, define competition.
- actuator 6y ago
  > there's clear evidence that they have failed at adhering to those regulation, so should be broken up. If there is clear evidence of them breaking existing regulation, then I am all for taking action. If the existing regulations are insufficient, I am all for introducing new ones as in the case of App Store debate. > Siri, define competition. I meant competitiveness in terms of R&D by cutting their cash flows.
  - MiroF 6y ago
    > If there is clear evidence of them breaking existing regulation, then I am all for taking action. Cool, so that is why they are taking Alphabet to court, because of alleged anti-trust violations. If the court determines there is clear evidence of them breaking existing regulation, then Alphabet might be broken up. Glad we agree that we ought to enforce our anti-trust laws.
  - andrewjl 6y ago
    Except in the case of a both legislation and enforcement, they spend tens of millions of dollars seeking to avoid it. Often successfully. The former is via lobbying and the latter is the good old "revolving door policy." Ex. Nick Clegg [FB], Jay Carney [Amazon]
andrewjl 6y ago
> They shouldn't, the accountability should come with regulation ensuring fair competition and respect for user data, not just going ahead and reducing competitiveness of US companies by breaking them up. Nothing about Google even approaches fair competition. It's impossible due to network effects. "Respect for user data" sounds great in theory, but ends up being a cudgel to reduce the ability of a startup to compete while shouldering high compliance costs. > I will be really surprised if Google sold their R&D to China, as it makes no sense whatsoever, but my comment was in general about all US big tech companies. They don't get a say in the matter, because they have an R&D facility within China's jurisdiction. China's national security laws compel full cooperation in security and intelligence matters, I'll add that what counts as "security" and "intelligence" has a very expansive legal definition as compared to for example in the US. This law has no process of appeal nor any sort of judicial review.

MiroF 6y ago

> the accountability should come with regulation ensuring fair competition and respect for user data Yes, so what we're saying is there's clear evidence that they have failed at adhering to those regulation, so should be broken up. > not just going ahead and reducing competitiveness of US companies by breaking them up. Siri, define competition.

actuator 6y ago
> there's clear evidence that they have failed at adhering to those regulation, so should be broken up. If there is clear evidence of them breaking existing regulation, then I am all for taking action. If the existing regulations are insufficient, I am all for introducing new ones as in the case of App Store debate. > Siri, define competition. I meant competitiveness in terms of R&D by cutting their cash flows.
- MiroF 6y ago
  > If there is clear evidence of them breaking existing regulation, then I am all for taking action. Cool, so that is why they are taking Alphabet to court, because of alleged anti-trust violations. If the court determines there is clear evidence of them breaking existing regulation, then Alphabet might be broken up. Glad we agree that we ought to enforce our anti-trust laws.
- andrewjl 6y ago
  Except in the case of a both legislation and enforcement, they spend tens of millions of dollars seeking to avoid it. Often successfully. The former is via lobbying and the latter is the good old "revolving door policy." Ex. Nick Clegg [FB], Jay Carney [Amazon]

andrewjl 6y ago

> They shouldn't, the accountability should come with regulation ensuring fair competition and respect for user data, not just going ahead and reducing competitiveness of US companies by breaking them up. Nothing about Google even approaches fair competition. It's impossible due to network effects. "Respect for user data" sounds great in theory, but ends up being a cudgel to reduce the ability of a startup to compete while shouldering high compliance costs. > I will be really surprised if Google sold their R&D to China, as it makes no sense whatsoever, but my comment was in general about all US big tech companies. They don't get a say in the matter, because they have an R&D facility within China's jurisdiction. China's national security laws compel full cooperation in security and intelligence matters, I'll add that what counts as "security" and "intelligence" has a very expansive legal definition as compared to for example in the US. This law has no process of appeal nor any sort of judicial review.