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>> we all build the voting machine together, so that we together can trust the result Seems like this logic could apply to any other digital or cryptographic s

by mNovak 6y ago

>> we all build the voting machine together, so that we together can trust the result Seems like this logic could apply to any other digital or cryptographic solution as well? On that note, I doubt your grandma understands voting machines, or even what happens behind the scenes after you mail a ballot. As in many things, I suspect all that matters is a general consensus that it's secure. For some that means experts agree it's safe, for others it means their friends, children, sheriff whatever sign off on it.

anoncake 6y ago
> On that note, I doubt your grandma understands voting machines, That is an argument against voting machines.
- mNovak 6y ago
  I can't tell if you and OP are seriously suggesting we write our votes on a slip of paper and drop it in the slot. "Public process" ultimately means a small handful of people can actually observe the process, so we're right back to trusting our officials.
  - henrikschroder 6y ago
    > I can't tell if you and OP are seriously suggesting we write our votes on a slip of paper and drop it in the slot. Absolutely, yes! That's basically how voting works in several countries. Observers can see votes being cast, vote counters can see that number of votes in the urn correspond to the number of voters who voted, you get a paper trail because you always have all the physical votes, and the process scales horizontally super easy. > "Public process" ultimately means a small handful of people can actually observe the process No, anyone can come look at the voting or vote counting, why would you prohibit that? The whole point of having a simple and open voting process is because people should be able to observe the whole system.
  - anoncake 6y ago
    > I can't tell if you and OP are seriously suggesting we write our votes on a slip of paper and drop it in the slot. I am. Why is that hard to believe? > "Public process" ultimately means a small handful of people can actually observe the process, so we're right back to trusting our officials. Where is that the case?

by mNovak 6y ago

anoncake 6y ago

> On that note, I doubt your grandma understands voting machines, That is an argument against voting machines.

mNovak 6y ago
I can't tell if you and OP are seriously suggesting we write our votes on a slip of paper and drop it in the slot. "Public process" ultimately means a small handful of people can actually observe the process, so we're right back to trusting our officials.
- henrikschroder 6y ago
  > I can't tell if you and OP are seriously suggesting we write our votes on a slip of paper and drop it in the slot. Absolutely, yes! That's basically how voting works in several countries. Observers can see votes being cast, vote counters can see that number of votes in the urn correspond to the number of voters who voted, you get a paper trail because you always have all the physical votes, and the process scales horizontally super easy. > "Public process" ultimately means a small handful of people can actually observe the process No, anyone can come look at the voting or vote counting, why would you prohibit that? The whole point of having a simple and open voting process is because people should be able to observe the whole system.
- anoncake 6y ago
  > I can't tell if you and OP are seriously suggesting we write our votes on a slip of paper and drop it in the slot. I am. Why is that hard to believe? > "Public process" ultimately means a small handful of people can actually observe the process, so we're right back to trusting our officials. Where is that the case?