I can't agree with this more, group think has become pretty prevalent on HN even in the face of proper citation and reasoning, if it is something that the masse

I can't agree with this more, group think has become pretty prevalent on HN even in the face of proper citation and reasoning, if it is something that the masses do not agree with down it goes into oblivion. Conversely let someone like patio11 or jacquesm post something and it rockets to the top (not a critique of either of them, I value their contribution immensely), but the reality is they have dude geek eGroupies (in all fairness some chick's too) and they could post anything and it is going to get votes just because it is a HN celeb. Again please don't take that as a critique of either of them they have contributed more value to this site than I could ever fathom of doing. Reality is though, they get some votes because they are popular and celebs on this site and until they get busted in Vegas trashing the casino on a coke binge or a sex tape gets released, I blame the throng of adoring fans for those celebrity votes and not the celebs themselves. Anyways, I am rambling, point is the lack of points (in my opinion) forces people to take a deeper look at the post, than just a scan of points and then oh yeah it's that guy let me up-vote.