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Lex Fridman recently had David Fravor on his podcast and they spoke about this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aB8zcAttP1E https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aB8z

Lex Fridman recently had David Fravor on his podcast and they spoke about this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aB8zcAttP1E https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aB8zcAttP1E

tohnjitor 6y ago
This interview with Fravor is much longer and more detailed than any I have seen. Most of the interview is about piloting in general but his description of the Tic Tac encounter in particular is especially fascinating.
dau 6y ago
After having discarded every sighting reported by individuals as unverifiable and unplausible so far, this one is finally different. It's the combination of respected fighter pilots, instrument recordings with authenticity asserted by Pentagon, visual confirmation of the object and multiple observers involved that makes this incident unique and remarkable.
- Barrin92 6y ago
  there's actually nothing remarkable about it and in fact most of the more exciting claims of the footage can be put into context with basic trigonometry[1], and Lex should have questioned much of what Fravor said in that podcast. I hope it doesn't turn into the next Joe Rogan show. [1]https://youtu.be/PLyEO0jNt6M https://youtu.be/PLyEO0jNt6M
dbspin 6y ago
This conversation was deeply frustrating. I'm ordinarily a huge fan of Fridman's show, but he gave this guy an inch and he took a mile. Essentially using recourse to expertise (and constant references to military acronyms) to give credence to claims to go way beyond what he directly experienced. It's pretty clear that despite his protestations Fravor enjoys the limelight and had become pretty inducted into the 'ufologist' community. His experience is interesting and valid. His conclusions were anything but. Most notably, given the US govts well documented history of experimenting on members of the military, which seems more likely: a) That (as he clearly believes) intelligent aliens with anti-gravity and necessarily ftl drives cross the vast chasms of interstellar space to buzz some aviators or b) that this was the result of either a natural phenomena or a psychological experiment on the airmen themselves. When we eliminate the almost certainly impossible, a whole range of improbable but vastly more likely alternatives present themselves.
- postalrat 6y ago
  You are replacing his conclusion with your own and calling it his. There were two jets there with two people in each. That's one hell of a psychological to pull off to get them all to see the same thing.
  - boomboomsubban 6y ago
    I don't care to delve deep into this, but were all four people in contact with each other during the event and/or before recording what they saw? As that alone is enough to get them to see the same thing.

Lex Fridman recently had David Fravor on his podcast and they spoke about this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aB8zcAttP1E https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aB8zcAttP1E

tohnjitor 6y ago

This interview with Fravor is much longer and more detailed than any I have seen. Most of the interview is about piloting in general but his description of the Tic Tac encounter in particular is especially fascinating.

dau 6y ago

After having discarded every sighting reported by individuals as unverifiable and unplausible so far, this one is finally different. It's the combination of respected fighter pilots, instrument recordings with authenticity asserted by Pentagon, visual confirmation of the object and multiple observers involved that makes this incident unique and remarkable.

Barrin92 6y ago
there's actually nothing remarkable about it and in fact most of the more exciting claims of the footage can be put into context with basic trigonometry[1], and Lex should have questioned much of what Fravor said in that podcast. I hope it doesn't turn into the next Joe Rogan show. [1]https://youtu.be/PLyEO0jNt6M https://youtu.be/PLyEO0jNt6M

dbspin 6y ago

This conversation was deeply frustrating. I'm ordinarily a huge fan of Fridman's show, but he gave this guy an inch and he took a mile. Essentially using recourse to expertise (and constant references to military acronyms) to give credence to claims to go way beyond what he directly experienced. It's pretty clear that despite his protestations Fravor enjoys the limelight and had become pretty inducted into the 'ufologist' community. His experience is interesting and valid. His conclusions were anything but. Most notably, given the US govts well documented history of experimenting on members of the military, which seems more likely: a) That (as he clearly believes) intelligent aliens with anti-gravity and necessarily ftl drives cross the vast chasms of interstellar space to buzz some aviators or b) that this was the result of either a natural phenomena or a psychological experiment on the airmen themselves. When we eliminate the almost certainly impossible, a whole range of improbable but vastly more likely alternatives present themselves.

postalrat 6y ago
You are replacing his conclusion with your own and calling it his. There were two jets there with two people in each. That's one hell of a psychological to pull off to get them all to see the same thing.
- boomboomsubban 6y ago
  I don't care to delve deep into this, but were all four people in contact with each other during the event and/or before recording what they saw? As that alone is enough to get them to see the same thing.