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I like the lightweight element of the site. I'm not asking for anything except the rule sheet though. Can I say, you're a bit rude. I think you may disagree

I like the lightweight element of the site. I'm not asking for anything except the rule sheet though. Can I say, you're a bit rude. I think you may disagree with my 'political' comments, but then put words in my mouth. I like meaningful engagement, and - yes I have my (reasoned) views and put them out there to be challenged and discussed. But I don't "know I'm right" - I actually like to be set straight when I'm wrong. Really, your comments shows that HN is all about a consensus of opinion. You're saying I should police my own opinion, and even delete comments if its not going along with the flow or something.

yesenadam 6y ago
> Really, your comments shows that HN is all about a consensus of opinion. This seems another example of the criticism-proving-you-right disease. I thought I gave a load of useful advice. > You're saying I should police my own opinion, and even delete comments if its not going along with the flow or something. That's nothing like what I said, is it. Yes, everyone should "police" their own opinions, if you want to put it like that – for example, some comment triggers you and you write an angry response. After writing it, read it again with a cooler head and before posting it decide if it really adds to HN, or subtracts. I often find that just writing it is enough – I learnt something by writing it, or got my anger/resentment out of my system. (Maybe you think 100% of the comments you write are worth posting; for me it's far less.) I said nothing about a consensus or "going with the flow", and don't mean anything like that.
- feralimal 6y ago
  I'm not writing in an emotional way - I'm not angry or upset, or need to cool down, or any of the things I think you are mis-ascribing to me. I'm writing in a way that proposes or advances an argument or a position. It might not be the same position as the majority hold, but it is my considered and explainable one. I'm absolutely not saying 'I need to be right' - which is criticism you are levelling. I'm having conversations that explore, or trying to. I learn from being wrong, and I'm happy - HAPPY - to be corrected. All the best.
  - yesenadam 6y ago
    I didn't mean you are angry or upset etc, sorry I wasn't clearer. I didn't say that you "need to be right". You've repeated that you are happy to be corrected, "set straight". It just seems that you thought nothing I said was in the least bit helpful, so I never got to see that! I don't believe it. I was just "a bit rude", "mis-ascribed" many things to you, "put words in your mouth", etc. I get what seems a similar unpleasant experience interacting with you that you get from HN – please consider that it's projection, i.e. that you are the problem.
    - feralimal 6y ago
      Lol. Passive aggressive much? > I didn't mean you are angry or upset etc, sorry I wasn't clearer. Say what you think. You think I'm dumb cos I didn't take the point that you repeatedly made. That you think I'm the problem. Be honest! Stop couching. > I didn't say that you "need to be right". But, you did! You said: "Try to avoid the "I'm downvoted because I'm right" disease". I have a disease, in your opinion, and its that I'm right. > You've repeated that you are happy to be corrected, "set straight". It just seems that you thought nothing I said was in the least bit helpful, so I never got to see that! But I really don't find what you say helpful! Sorry. If I have an argument or a discussion point, I'm free to state it. At least, I think I should be. I'm happy to engage with a rational argument, and present a case. And if my PoV is found wanting, I'll embrace truth and reality. But your 'answer' is that I internalise an external problem. Delete my comment say, to not make a fuss. But no, I'm not going to give up on reason or rational thinking, because the majority thinks something other. I'm hear to learn and share knowledge. I'm confident in my line of thought, that its rational. I'm very far from internalising or quashing my rational thinking for the sake of offending the majority, who I happen to think are frequently in error. And, by the way, the majority really can be in error. It may feel like a comfortable consensus is occurring here on HN. I'm saying that this could be on account of the management of the site - certain uncomfortable realities cannot be discussed. Living in a bubble is fine in a way, but absence of knowledge won't make reality go away. I'm hoping the scientific method may force you (and me) to accept reality, even if we may wish for something else.

yesenadam 6y ago

> Really, your comments shows that HN is all about a consensus of opinion. This seems another example of the criticism-proving-you-right disease. I thought I gave a load of useful advice. > You're saying I should police my own opinion, and even delete comments if its not going along with the flow or something. That's nothing like what I said, is it. Yes, everyone should "police" their own opinions, if you want to put it like that – for example, some comment triggers you and you write an angry response. After writing it, read it again with a cooler head and before posting it decide if it really adds to HN, or subtracts. I often find that just writing it is enough – I learnt something by writing it, or got my anger/resentment out of my system. (Maybe you think 100% of the comments you write are worth posting; for me it's far less.) I said nothing about a consensus or "going with the flow", and don't mean anything like that.

feralimal 6y ago
I'm not writing in an emotional way - I'm not angry or upset, or need to cool down, or any of the things I think you are mis-ascribing to me. I'm writing in a way that proposes or advances an argument or a position. It might not be the same position as the majority hold, but it is my considered and explainable one. I'm absolutely not saying 'I need to be right' - which is criticism you are levelling. I'm having conversations that explore, or trying to. I learn from being wrong, and I'm happy - HAPPY - to be corrected. All the best.
- yesenadam 6y ago
  I didn't mean you are angry or upset etc, sorry I wasn't clearer. I didn't say that you "need to be right". You've repeated that you are happy to be corrected, "set straight". It just seems that you thought nothing I said was in the least bit helpful, so I never got to see that! I don't believe it. I was just "a bit rude", "mis-ascribed" many things to you, "put words in your mouth", etc. I get what seems a similar unpleasant experience interacting with you that you get from HN – please consider that it's projection, i.e. that you are the problem.
  - feralimal 6y ago
    Lol. Passive aggressive much? > I didn't mean you are angry or upset etc, sorry I wasn't clearer. Say what you think. You think I'm dumb cos I didn't take the point that you repeatedly made. That you think I'm the problem. Be honest! Stop couching. > I didn't say that you "need to be right". But, you did! You said: "Try to avoid the "I'm downvoted because I'm right" disease". I have a disease, in your opinion, and its that I'm right. > You've repeated that you are happy to be corrected, "set straight". It just seems that you thought nothing I said was in the least bit helpful, so I never got to see that! But I really don't find what you say helpful! Sorry. If I have an argument or a discussion point, I'm free to state it. At least, I think I should be. I'm happy to engage with a rational argument, and present a case. And if my PoV is found wanting, I'll embrace truth and reality. But your 'answer' is that I internalise an external problem. Delete my comment say, to not make a fuss. But no, I'm not going to give up on reason or rational thinking, because the majority thinks something other. I'm hear to learn and share knowledge. I'm confident in my line of thought, that its rational. I'm very far from internalising or quashing my rational thinking for the sake of offending the majority, who I happen to think are frequently in error. And, by the way, the majority really can be in error. It may feel like a comfortable consensus is occurring here on HN. I'm saying that this could be on account of the management of the site - certain uncomfortable realities cannot be discussed. Living in a bubble is fine in a way, but absence of knowledge won't make reality go away. I'm hoping the scientific method may force you (and me) to accept reality, even if we may wish for something else.