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Oh great. More cars. Just what Paris needs. Also, it's an alternative to a scooter, but much bigger and more massive. This is "safer" -- for the driver. Less so

Oh great. More cars. Just what Paris needs. Also, it's an alternative to a scooter, but much bigger and more massive. This is "safer" -- for the driver. Less so for the people they will hit.

atulatul 6y ago
prefer Dutch "bicycle buses": https://twitter.com/BrentToderian/status/1302845178206593026 https://twitter.com/BrentToderian/status/1302845178206593026
marmaduke 6y ago
That’s what I thought. Why not make a cheap usable cargo bike? I can carry both kids on mine (https://www.lepetitporteur.com https://www.lepetitporteur.com)
- alexisread 6y ago
  For many 14yos the attraction is that a car helps you climb the social ladder- you're perceived as that much more attractive. Bikes don't quite cut it for that. You raise a great point though, cargo bikes are much more expensive than conventional ones. I don't see why either as I'm guessing there would be a big market at a lower price point (£500 vs £300 for a conventional rather than £2500), hence the scale to make them cheap. (Thanks for link BTW, not seen this bike before)
  - marmaduke 6y ago
    > helps you climb the social ladder- you're perceived As a parent of kids a bit younger, I aspire to help them avoid this sort of thing entirely Cargo bikes don’t have to be expensive (Yuba Komba is 999€) except that they are, in the long tail format, 50 to 100% more steel, and because of the weight, drivetrain and brakes have to be good as well. A 250€ cargo bike would be an injury waiting to happen As it happens, the bike I linked is a nice Chromoly frame, disc brakes, hub gears etc. If you look at other bikes with similar components you’d be hard pressed to beat the price.
  - marmaduke 6y ago
    I just noticed your scarecrow price tag of 2500€, which is probably for electric cargo bike. Those are limited to 250W usually, which I don’t find worth the price considering it’s comparable to what you can put out with your legs alone. (But I can tolerate sweating on the way to work..)

Oh great. More cars. Just what Paris needs. Also, it's an alternative to a scooter, but much bigger and more massive. This is "safer" -- for the driver. Less so for the people they will hit.

atulatul 6y ago

prefer Dutch "bicycle buses": https://twitter.com/BrentToderian/status/1302845178206593026 https://twitter.com/BrentToderian/status/1302845178206593026

marmaduke 6y ago

That’s what I thought. Why not make a cheap usable cargo bike? I can carry both kids on mine (https://www.lepetitporteur.com https://www.lepetitporteur.com)

alexisread 6y ago
For many 14yos the attraction is that a car helps you climb the social ladder- you're perceived as that much more attractive. Bikes don't quite cut it for that. You raise a great point though, cargo bikes are much more expensive than conventional ones. I don't see why either as I'm guessing there would be a big market at a lower price point (£500 vs £300 for a conventional rather than £2500), hence the scale to make them cheap. (Thanks for link BTW, not seen this bike before)
- marmaduke 6y ago
  > helps you climb the social ladder- you're perceived As a parent of kids a bit younger, I aspire to help them avoid this sort of thing entirely Cargo bikes don’t have to be expensive (Yuba Komba is 999€) except that they are, in the long tail format, 50 to 100% more steel, and because of the weight, drivetrain and brakes have to be good as well. A 250€ cargo bike would be an injury waiting to happen As it happens, the bike I linked is a nice Chromoly frame, disc brakes, hub gears etc. If you look at other bikes with similar components you’d be hard pressed to beat the price.
- marmaduke 6y ago
  I just noticed your scarecrow price tag of 2500€, which is probably for electric cargo bike. Those are limited to 250W usually, which I don’t find worth the price considering it’s comparable to what you can put out with your legs alone. (But I can tolerate sweating on the way to work..)