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I don't get why we talk about forest management as if it's the main culprit for what's going on right now. Don't y'all remember between 2012 and 2017 the west

I don't get why we talk about forest management as if it's the main culprit for what's going on right now. Don't y'all remember between 2012 and 2017 the west coast went through a MASSIVE DROUGHT? Are Californians really this forgetful? The constant dry heat waves killing off large swaths of our forests is the thing that is now providing the tinder for our massive fires. Other states like Washington, Oregon, and Idaho are experiencing the same thing. It's not just California. I've been here a long time and I don't ever remember experiencing smoke smothering our cities for weeks on end until these past few years. Calling out forest management like it's some sort of magic bullet is kind of like telling individuals to stop using straws to clean up ocean waste. Sure, it might help a little but it doesn't really solve the root cause systemic issue: Climate Change.

mas3god 6y ago
The droughts happen in multi year intervals, and the reservoir system hasnt been expanded since the 60s. The primary issue is fuel buildup and invasive species. Global warming is just icing on the cake.
- aaronbrethorst 6y ago
  Global warming is just icing on the cake. Or, ahem, gasoline on the fire.
  - cubictoaster 6y ago
    Global warming is the cake. We have a small window of opportunity to decide if it's a cake made of shit or if it's a mildly overcooked chocolate cake.
    - aaronbrethorst 6y ago
      We’re already zooming past the 1° limits. 2°C feels like the best outcome. 3-4°C seems realistic given that 52 US Senators are adamantly opposed to any climate action. This isn’t meant to dissuade anyone from voting on Nov 3. On the contrary, I firmly believe that the future of our civilization rests on the outcome. We need a clear headed, science-heeding majority of legislators in congress come January, plus a president willing to sign their legislation into law. We are out of time. Shit cake or chocolate, this is it.
      - TheSpiceIsLife 6y ago
        Personally I don't think the outcome of the election on November is going to matter one way or the other, because I don't trust politics to consistently deliver clear headed, science based policy. It's not just this election we need concern our selves with, but all those after it too.
        cubictoaster 6y ago
        This is too cynical. One party denies climate change, the other acknowledges it at least. One result opens the door, the other closes it. The election will absolutely decide our fate. But I agree with you regarding continuing to push after the election. If by some chance we can get the door open, it'll take continued social pressure & outreach to truly make progress.
        mas3god 6y ago
        More like one party denies it, the other says the world is doomed by 2016
        aaronbrethorst 6y ago
        Why even bother getting up in the morning if you’ve so completely embraced nihilism?
option 6y ago
It is estimated that 3 mil acres burned in 2020 so far. But before the Golden Rush that number is estimated to be 4.5 mil of acres per year. We need better forest management which means more controlled burns. Climate change is not the root cause here, it is an amplifier. Which means we need to plan for the effects of climate change too. And the only hope to slow climate change is a global effort, or at the very least on a country level. California closes nuclear power plants earlier than expected and then LA county buys 18% of its electricity from Utah generated on coal plants.
- cubictoaster 6y ago
  I don't get it. While I wasn't alive in the period immediately following the gold rush, I've been here over 40 years and I don't ever remember fires blanketing our entire state in smoke for extended periods of time until recently. Did we just get lucky somehow between the Gold Rush and 2018? I agree w/ you on global effort for climate change. Hopefully we can get started on a National level soon.
  - konjin 6y ago
    Yes. There have been periods of decades where the East Coast was basically uninhabitable. There is a reason why civilization was just barely in the megalithic in America when Columbus arrived.
  - icelancer 6y ago
    >> I've been here over 40 years and I don't ever remember fires blanketing our entire state in smoke for extended periods of time until recently. This stuff was not uncommon over the hundreds of years of this country's history. As other commenters have mentioned, it's lasted for decades in the American East, West, and particularly Midwest. Climate change is an issue, but saying this stuff never happens and (presumably human-led) climate change is the sole reason is not really likely to be true.
    - cubictoaster 6y ago
      Can you point me to your source for the last time 3.1M acres of land burned in California in the span of a month?
plussed_reader 6y ago
Something to integrate into your thought; the unregulated water table that allows agriculture to tap deeper and deeper and deplete the aquifers to keep CA the '5th largest economy' in the world. How much does that contribute to the general aridness of the area?
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mas3god 6y ago

The droughts happen in multi year intervals, and the reservoir system hasnt been expanded since the 60s. The primary issue is fuel buildup and invasive species. Global warming is just icing on the cake.

aaronbrethorst 6y ago
Global warming is just icing on the cake. Or, ahem, gasoline on the fire.
- cubictoaster 6y ago
  Global warming is the cake. We have a small window of opportunity to decide if it's a cake made of shit or if it's a mildly overcooked chocolate cake.
  - aaronbrethorst 6y ago
    We’re already zooming past the 1° limits. 2°C feels like the best outcome. 3-4°C seems realistic given that 52 US Senators are adamantly opposed to any climate action. This isn’t meant to dissuade anyone from voting on Nov 3. On the contrary, I firmly believe that the future of our civilization rests on the outcome. We need a clear headed, science-heeding majority of legislators in congress come January, plus a president willing to sign their legislation into law. We are out of time. Shit cake or chocolate, this is it.
    - TheSpiceIsLife 6y ago
      Personally I don't think the outcome of the election on November is going to matter one way or the other, because I don't trust politics to consistently deliver clear headed, science based policy. It's not just this election we need concern our selves with, but all those after it too.
      - cubictoaster 6y ago
        This is too cynical. One party denies climate change, the other acknowledges it at least. One result opens the door, the other closes it. The election will absolutely decide our fate. But I agree with you regarding continuing to push after the election. If by some chance we can get the door open, it'll take continued social pressure & outreach to truly make progress.
        mas3god 6y ago
        More like one party denies it, the other says the world is doomed by 2016
      - aaronbrethorst 6y ago
        Why even bother getting up in the morning if you’ve so completely embraced nihilism?

option 6y ago

It is estimated that 3 mil acres burned in 2020 so far. But before the Golden Rush that number is estimated to be 4.5 mil of acres per year. We need better forest management which means more controlled burns. Climate change is not the root cause here, it is an amplifier. Which means we need to plan for the effects of climate change too. And the only hope to slow climate change is a global effort, or at the very least on a country level. California closes nuclear power plants earlier than expected and then LA county buys 18% of its electricity from Utah generated on coal plants.

cubictoaster 6y ago
I don't get it. While I wasn't alive in the period immediately following the gold rush, I've been here over 40 years and I don't ever remember fires blanketing our entire state in smoke for extended periods of time until recently. Did we just get lucky somehow between the Gold Rush and 2018? I agree w/ you on global effort for climate change. Hopefully we can get started on a National level soon.
- konjin 6y ago
  Yes. There have been periods of decades where the East Coast was basically uninhabitable. There is a reason why civilization was just barely in the megalithic in America when Columbus arrived.
- icelancer 6y ago
  >> I've been here over 40 years and I don't ever remember fires blanketing our entire state in smoke for extended periods of time until recently. This stuff was not uncommon over the hundreds of years of this country's history. As other commenters have mentioned, it's lasted for decades in the American East, West, and particularly Midwest. Climate change is an issue, but saying this stuff never happens and (presumably human-led) climate change is the sole reason is not really likely to be true.
  - cubictoaster 6y ago
    Can you point me to your source for the last time 3.1M acres of land burned in California in the span of a month?

plussed_reader 6y ago

Something to integrate into your thought; the unregulated water table that allows agriculture to tap deeper and deeper and deplete the aquifers to keep CA the '5th largest economy' in the world. How much does that contribute to the general aridness of the area?

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