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There is a lot of complexity for a US-based company around hiring people internationally: 1. Security. How would you prevent your monorepo being copied out to c

There is a lot of complexity for a US-based company around hiring people internationally: 1. Security. How would you prevent your monorepo being copied out to competitive companies in a foreign region or get snooped by some local government officials? 2. HR/Payroll. If you want to be compliant with local laws you will need to create local business entity. Would that make sense to do if you only have one employee in the country? How expensive that setup is going to be? 3. Somewhat obvious cultural/language/timezone difference. There were a lot of conversations about moving jobs to India in early 2000. It didn't happen - I think primarily for reasons that I just outlined. I don't see what's different this time.

selfinvariant 6y ago
To add more color about the VMWare decision: - the compensation strategy seems in line with what other companies were doing. Compensation adjustments based on local markets are fairly standard for the large tech companies. They seem to be fairly limited though (< 20% of TC) inside the US - Lots of tech companies allow their employees to work remotely until the end of 2021 keeping their current comp. I'm not surprised to see that changing and VMWare may be the first canary (or I'm just not aware about other companies already doing that)
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ido 6y ago
For number 2 - I worked for many companies outside my current residence and none of them needed to create a German business entity to hire me, I was simply hired on a freelance basis & given a higher wage to compensate having to pay my own insurance & taxes.
- selfinvariant 6y ago
  (Edited for clarity) Sure, and it's a good point that I think companies should consider instead of downright rejecting this option. There are implications though: - What about equity grants? A lot of comp in SV based companies is based on equity (both liquid/illiquid). If you are hiring someone on a pure cash basis vs other people who are not - what kind of dynamic / incentives that will create? I'm very curios about hearing your experiences working in freelance capacity for a US based company though, it sounds like something I would like to do at some point (as of hiring someone), and would really appreciate the ideas
  - ido 6y ago
    That was basically my experience, I wasn't given options only paid a normal salary ~25-30% higher to compensate me paying for my own health insurance, unemployment insurance, misc taxes etc.
- tsbinz 6y ago
  If you were working for them like a regular employee, that has quite a few pitfalls - you'd need to perform the duties that an employer has then (get a "Betriebsnummer" (employer registration number), register your contract etc) - working "on a freelance basis" where you actually act as an employee isn't legal (https://www.existenzgruender.de/SharedDocs/BMWi-Expertenforum/Persoenliche-Absicherung/Rentenversicherung/Einziger-Auftraggeber-im-Ausland-scheinselbstaendig.html https://www.existenzgruender.de/SharedDocs/BMWi-Expertenforu...). And if compliance is important for a company, they'd need at least someone that is familiar with labor law in a country before they start employing people there, even if they don't explicitly need a business entity.
mgh2 6y ago
This time it is forced by a pandemic... the economic incentives for companies using this strategy are no longer defined by management's choice
- selfinvariant 6y ago
  Sorry, I don't think I understand what you said. What about pandemic makes a difference in the way that security, laws, or timezones work?
  - mgh2 6y ago
    Not sure, still unfolding for a lot of companies, but as remote become the norm, these issues may have higher chances of being circumvented

selfinvariant 6y ago

To add more color about the VMWare decision: - the compensation strategy seems in line with what other companies were doing. Compensation adjustments based on local markets are fairly standard for the large tech companies. They seem to be fairly limited though (< 20% of TC) inside the US - Lots of tech companies allow their employees to work remotely until the end of 2021 keeping their current comp. I'm not surprised to see that changing and VMWare may be the first canary (or I'm just not aware about other companies already doing that)

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ido 6y ago

For number 2 - I worked for many companies outside my current residence and none of them needed to create a German business entity to hire me, I was simply hired on a freelance basis & given a higher wage to compensate having to pay my own insurance & taxes.

selfinvariant 6y ago
(Edited for clarity) Sure, and it's a good point that I think companies should consider instead of downright rejecting this option. There are implications though: - What about equity grants? A lot of comp in SV based companies is based on equity (both liquid/illiquid). If you are hiring someone on a pure cash basis vs other people who are not - what kind of dynamic / incentives that will create? I'm very curios about hearing your experiences working in freelance capacity for a US based company though, it sounds like something I would like to do at some point (as of hiring someone), and would really appreciate the ideas
- ido 6y ago
  That was basically my experience, I wasn't given options only paid a normal salary ~25-30% higher to compensate me paying for my own health insurance, unemployment insurance, misc taxes etc.
tsbinz 6y ago
If you were working for them like a regular employee, that has quite a few pitfalls - you'd need to perform the duties that an employer has then (get a "Betriebsnummer" (employer registration number), register your contract etc) - working "on a freelance basis" where you actually act as an employee isn't legal (https://www.existenzgruender.de/SharedDocs/BMWi-Expertenforum/Persoenliche-Absicherung/Rentenversicherung/Einziger-Auftraggeber-im-Ausland-scheinselbstaendig.html https://www.existenzgruender.de/SharedDocs/BMWi-Expertenforu...). And if compliance is important for a company, they'd need at least someone that is familiar with labor law in a country before they start employing people there, even if they don't explicitly need a business entity.

mgh2 6y ago

This time it is forced by a pandemic... the economic incentives for companies using this strategy are no longer defined by management's choice

selfinvariant 6y ago
Sorry, I don't think I understand what you said. What about pandemic makes a difference in the way that security, laws, or timezones work?
- mgh2 6y ago
  Not sure, still unfolding for a lot of companies, but as remote become the norm, these issues may have higher chances of being circumvented