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> Why isn't that the answer? Nobody wants to be out of the animal husbandry business more than the meat producers do. Even if they haven't realized it yet. Bec

> Why isn't that the answer? Nobody wants to be out of the animal husbandry business more than the meat producers do. Even if they haven't realized it yet. Because lab based meat isn't here yet: - You can't buy it in supermarkets or for cheap, and I haven't heard a realistic timeline for when this is going to change. - Is there going to be realistic lab based cuts of steak, duck, pork and chicken? Whole chickens? Lab based ground beef is one thing but lab based versions of everything the public wants is another. - Beyond burgers and similar are already here which some people say are as good a beef burgers, yet there isn't a stampede to change over by either consumers or manufacturers. Why would lab based meat be different? I can see people demanding the "real thing" on principle. We don't have time to wait when climate change is here now. Lab based meat is not a solution if it takes decades to make an impact. People that say they'll switch from real-meat when lab based meat is here are essentially saying they'll change when they don't have to change anything.

CamperBob2 6y ago
We don't have time to wait when climate change is here now Yes, we do, and we will. Everything you've said could apply equally to electric vehicles, which people like yourself said were never going to be "the answer" for a hundred different reasons, yet which are, nevertheless, happening. Be patient. Failing that, deal with it.
- seanwilson 6y ago
  > Yes, we do, and we will. The point is we should be doing something now and adopting lab based meat when it actually arrives, instead of doing nothing and hoping it comes. The catastrophic impact of climate change is coming on the scale of decades - we really don't have time to wait. > which people like yourself said were never going to be "the answer" for a hundred different reasons What a weird thing to write. You don't know anything about what I think of electric vehicles or my wider views.
  - CamperBob2 6y ago
    You don't know anything about what I think of electric vehicles or my wider views When you make identical arguments, it's reasonable to infer identical underlying motivations and beliefs. What a weird thing to write Not as weird as assuming that people are "doing nothing and hoping it comes" with respect to synthetic meat. There is serious money in that market. It's being worked on, trust me. Like EVs, it's not a trivial engineering problem.
    - seanwilson 6y ago
      > Not as weird as assuming that people are "doing nothing and hoping it comes" with respect to synthetic meat. There is serious money in that market. It's being worked on, trust me. Like EVs, it's not a trivial engineering problem. I'm not talking about the people putting research and engineering time into synthetic meat, I'm talking about personal consumption - most people could give up meat today if they really wanted to and start helping the planet now. You don't need to wait for synthetic meat to arrive to start helping right now. I think synthetic meat is a great idea by the way but not when people have the attitude of "I will only reduce/avoid meat when synthetic meat arrives". Electric cars doesn't hold as a good analogy to me e.g. many need a car to get work or make deliveries so you couldn't easily give up driving while you waited for electric vehicles to arrive, it could be expensive to replace your car (unlike changing your diet).

CamperBob2 6y ago

We don't have time to wait when climate change is here now Yes, we do, and we will. Everything you've said could apply equally to electric vehicles, which people like yourself said were never going to be "the answer" for a hundred different reasons, yet which are, nevertheless, happening. Be patient. Failing that, deal with it.

seanwilson 6y ago
> Yes, we do, and we will. The point is we should be doing something now and adopting lab based meat when it actually arrives, instead of doing nothing and hoping it comes. The catastrophic impact of climate change is coming on the scale of decades - we really don't have time to wait. > which people like yourself said were never going to be "the answer" for a hundred different reasons What a weird thing to write. You don't know anything about what I think of electric vehicles or my wider views.
- CamperBob2 6y ago
  You don't know anything about what I think of electric vehicles or my wider views When you make identical arguments, it's reasonable to infer identical underlying motivations and beliefs. What a weird thing to write Not as weird as assuming that people are "doing nothing and hoping it comes" with respect to synthetic meat. There is serious money in that market. It's being worked on, trust me. Like EVs, it's not a trivial engineering problem.
  - seanwilson 6y ago
    > Not as weird as assuming that people are "doing nothing and hoping it comes" with respect to synthetic meat. There is serious money in that market. It's being worked on, trust me. Like EVs, it's not a trivial engineering problem. I'm not talking about the people putting research and engineering time into synthetic meat, I'm talking about personal consumption - most people could give up meat today if they really wanted to and start helping the planet now. You don't need to wait for synthetic meat to arrive to start helping right now. I think synthetic meat is a great idea by the way but not when people have the attitude of "I will only reduce/avoid meat when synthetic meat arrives". Electric cars doesn't hold as a good analogy to me e.g. many need a car to get work or make deliveries so you couldn't easily give up driving while you waited for electric vehicles to arrive, it could be expensive to replace your car (unlike changing your diet).