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Is Redox something that might be a viable daily driver at some point? I've been watching for a little while, and hope it gets there. Also, in what way's does t

Is Redox something that might be a viable daily driver at some point? I've been watching for a little while, and hope it gets there. Also, in what way's does the project need help? Edit: FWIW, I think this or something similar to it is the future of OS development.

jackpot51 6y ago
At some point? Maybe. It would be in quite a long time. Right now writing drivers, porting software, and improving documentation are areas to help.
- Shared404 6y ago
  > At some point? Maybe. It would be in quite a long time. I'll look forward to it. > Right now writing drivers, porting software, and improving documentation are areas to help. I'll take a look and see what I can help with.
- ianai 6y ago
  How mature are the network stack and FS? I see a ZFS inspired FS named TFS, very cool! I’m assuming it can run headless but see it’s got a GUI from the book.
higerordermap 6y ago
> FWIW, I think this or something similar to it is the future of OS development. Disagree. It is mostly a Unix clone in rust with few novel concepts. Not that it is not important, and no offense meant to developers.
- brylie 6y ago
  But why do you disagree? What does your comment bring to the discussion? Edit: removed italics tag.
  - higerordermap 6y ago
    It is not a whole lot of new concepts as rust crowd likes to portray it.
- brylie 6y ago
  Perhaps GP was referring to microkernel design as being the future of OS development?
  - Shared404 6y ago
    This is more what I meant. It just seems like Redox is taking the lessons we've learned over years of development, and being willing to break compatibility in order to implement them. That being said, I don't know much about OS/kernel development.
    - higerordermap 6y ago
      So is Google fuchsia - it is even capability based. (But Google is not cool here around HN circles, despite their contributions to open source and fostering one of good engineering environments, they aren't cool because they don't shout some Privacy buzzword like Apple.) Also it is not written in rust, which is webshit-favorite-of-the-month. Redox is still Unix like, it moderately changes the file paradigm. Microkernel Unix clones are not new. They mention Minix as inspiration while there is no mention of L4 which did lot of work in microkernel performance.
      - fluffything 6y ago
        Google's fuchsia C kernel isn't particularly interesting IMO. its essentially LK (little kernel) but with 100s of syscalls. A couple of weekends ago I was playing with seL4 on RISC-V and Rust under qemu, and it felt much better balanced overall than my recollections of LK.
        higerordermap 6y ago
        At least it is capability based instead of yet another Unix clone. Not that any one of these are significantly better. But the rust crowd heralds redox as very innovative OS.
        pjmlp 6y ago
        What C kernel? It looks pretty much C++ to me. https://fuchsia.googlesource.com/fuchsia/+/master/zircon/kernel/kernel/ https://fuchsia.googlesource.com/fuchsia/+/master/zircon/ker...
- foobiekr 6y ago
  As opposed to Linux?
  - higerordermap 6y ago
    Who said Linux is a revolution in OS design? The big thing about linux was free availability and development model.

jackpot51 6y ago

At some point? Maybe. It would be in quite a long time. Right now writing drivers, porting software, and improving documentation are areas to help.

Shared404 6y ago
> At some point? Maybe. It would be in quite a long time. I'll look forward to it. > Right now writing drivers, porting software, and improving documentation are areas to help. I'll take a look and see what I can help with.
ianai 6y ago
How mature are the network stack and FS? I see a ZFS inspired FS named TFS, very cool! I’m assuming it can run headless but see it’s got a GUI from the book.

higerordermap 6y ago

> FWIW, I think this or something similar to it is the future of OS development. Disagree. It is mostly a Unix clone in rust with few novel concepts. Not that it is not important, and no offense meant to developers.

brylie 6y ago
But why do you disagree? What does your comment bring to the discussion? Edit: removed italics tag.
- higerordermap 6y ago
  It is not a whole lot of new concepts as rust crowd likes to portray it.
brylie 6y ago
Perhaps GP was referring to microkernel design as being the future of OS development?
- Shared404 6y ago
  This is more what I meant. It just seems like Redox is taking the lessons we've learned over years of development, and being willing to break compatibility in order to implement them. That being said, I don't know much about OS/kernel development.
  - higerordermap 6y ago
    So is Google fuchsia - it is even capability based. (But Google is not cool here around HN circles, despite their contributions to open source and fostering one of good engineering environments, they aren't cool because they don't shout some Privacy buzzword like Apple.) Also it is not written in rust, which is webshit-favorite-of-the-month. Redox is still Unix like, it moderately changes the file paradigm. Microkernel Unix clones are not new. They mention Minix as inspiration while there is no mention of L4 which did lot of work in microkernel performance.
    - fluffything 6y ago
      Google's fuchsia C kernel isn't particularly interesting IMO. its essentially LK (little kernel) but with 100s of syscalls. A couple of weekends ago I was playing with seL4 on RISC-V and Rust under qemu, and it felt much better balanced overall than my recollections of LK.
      - higerordermap 6y ago
        At least it is capability based instead of yet another Unix clone. Not that any one of these are significantly better. But the rust crowd heralds redox as very innovative OS.
      - pjmlp 6y ago
        What C kernel? It looks pretty much C++ to me. https://fuchsia.googlesource.com/fuchsia/+/master/zircon/kernel/kernel/ https://fuchsia.googlesource.com/fuchsia/+/master/zircon/ker...
foobiekr 6y ago
As opposed to Linux?
- higerordermap 6y ago
  Who said Linux is a revolution in OS design? The big thing about linux was free availability and development model.