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This isn’t about the iPhone, it’s about iOS, which is one os out of two. And they have an absolute monopoly within iOS and on iPhones, while creating a market w

This isn’t about the iPhone, it’s about iOS, which is one os out of two. And they have an absolute monopoly within iOS and on iPhones, while creating a market which can and will be regulated and being a publicly traded company and therefore subject to even more scrutiny and laws. And people care a lot less about the consoles because they are a lot less important to the economy. This is like McDonalds complaining about paying fair wages and pointing to a two-location mom and pop shop and saying “but they do it too!”. Classic whataboutism.

scarface74 6y ago
Most people don’t care about side loading apps on their phone either...
- kinkrtyavimoodh 6y ago
  Good, then Apple shouldn't be worried that the nicely manicured lawns they offer their users would be trampled upon.
  - scarface74 6y ago
    Just the opposite, if you care so much about sideloading, then why buy an iOS device? Do you often buy products that don’t meet your needs or desires?
    - kinkrtyavimoodh 6y ago
      I personally couldn't care less because I don't have an iPhone but users can't realistically choose a device based on the cross product of all the features they want. There are always compromises. Some of these problems have outsized impacts, such as the way Apple extorts money from its App Store, which isn't a place most App developers can simply choose not to be on, any more than they can simply choose not to live in a country.
      - Razengan 6y ago
        > App Store ... isn't a place most App developers can simply choose not to be on Why?
        kinkrtyavimoodh 6y ago
        Because it's an existential need for many people trying to run an online business? And because most Apple users don't actually know what the ramifications of ramifications of Apple's policies are and instead blame the app developers instead? And because Apple makes it a policy violation for apps to even inform the users about these policies? And because Apple makes it practically impossible to run apps on an iPhone any other way, with even personal use requiring a reinstall every 7 days or paying Apple 100 dollars a year? And because Apple's 30% extortion fee causes prices to rise across the board (including non-Apple users) because Apple makes it a policy violation to offer the same service cheaper on non-Apple devices, and ultimately somebody's got to foot the bill?
        Razengan 6y ago
        > Because it's an existential need for many people trying to run an online business? There's Android, Windows, Linux and the web. And for games, also the PlayStation, Xbox, and Switch. > And because most Apple users don't actually know what the ramifications of ramifications of Apple's policies are and instead blame the app developers instead? Developers can pull out of iOS and inform users to use Android etc. instead. > And because Apple makes it practically impossible to run apps on an iPhone any other way, with even personal use requiring a reinstall every 7 days or paying Apple 100 dollars a year? Users who want to do that can use Android etc. > And because Apple's 30% extortion fee Android, Windows, PlayStation, Xbox, Switch, Steam, Epic etc. have the same extortion.
      - scarface74 6y ago
        What features does iOS have that Android doesn’t have that are deal breakers for most people?
        6y ago
electriclove 6y ago
Epic is a mom and pop? Get outta here..
Razengan 6y ago
> And they have an absolute monopoly within iOS and on iPhones Apple have a monopoly....on Apple products..?
- grumple 6y ago
  The interactions between companies, no matter what the contract or tos states, are governed by law. Apple can’t build anything or run any aspect of their business without the government saying ok. And government has often ruled that anticompetitive behavior violates antitrust law. From the Sherman Act: “Every contract, combination in the form of trust or otherwise, or conspiracy, in restraint of trade or commerce among the several States, or with foreign nations, is declared to be illegal.” If Apple is restraining trade (which they obviously are according to any reasonable interpretation, whether or not a court has yet ruled on it), they are breaking the law. Obviously the courts have failed us before and they take ages to rule on anything regardless, but I suspect Apple will lose in the long run.

scarface74 6y ago

Most people don’t care about side loading apps on their phone either...

kinkrtyavimoodh 6y ago
Good, then Apple shouldn't be worried that the nicely manicured lawns they offer their users would be trampled upon.
- scarface74 6y ago
  Just the opposite, if you care so much about sideloading, then why buy an iOS device? Do you often buy products that don’t meet your needs or desires?
  - kinkrtyavimoodh 6y ago
    I personally couldn't care less because I don't have an iPhone but users can't realistically choose a device based on the cross product of all the features they want. There are always compromises. Some of these problems have outsized impacts, such as the way Apple extorts money from its App Store, which isn't a place most App developers can simply choose not to be on, any more than they can simply choose not to live in a country.
    - Razengan 6y ago
      > App Store ... isn't a place most App developers can simply choose not to be on Why?
      - kinkrtyavimoodh 6y ago
        Because it's an existential need for many people trying to run an online business? And because most Apple users don't actually know what the ramifications of ramifications of Apple's policies are and instead blame the app developers instead? And because Apple makes it a policy violation for apps to even inform the users about these policies? And because Apple makes it practically impossible to run apps on an iPhone any other way, with even personal use requiring a reinstall every 7 days or paying Apple 100 dollars a year? And because Apple's 30% extortion fee causes prices to rise across the board (including non-Apple users) because Apple makes it a policy violation to offer the same service cheaper on non-Apple devices, and ultimately somebody's got to foot the bill?
        Razengan 6y ago
        > Because it's an existential need for many people trying to run an online business? There's Android, Windows, Linux and the web. And for games, also the PlayStation, Xbox, and Switch. > And because most Apple users don't actually know what the ramifications of ramifications of Apple's policies are and instead blame the app developers instead? Developers can pull out of iOS and inform users to use Android etc. instead. > And because Apple makes it practically impossible to run apps on an iPhone any other way, with even personal use requiring a reinstall every 7 days or paying Apple 100 dollars a year? Users who want to do that can use Android etc. > And because Apple's 30% extortion fee Android, Windows, PlayStation, Xbox, Switch, Steam, Epic etc. have the same extortion.
    - scarface74 6y ago
      What features does iOS have that Android doesn’t have that are deal breakers for most people?
      - 6y ago

electriclove 6y ago

Epic is a mom and pop? Get outta here..

Razengan 6y ago

> And they have an absolute monopoly within iOS and on iPhones Apple have a monopoly....on Apple products..?

grumple 6y ago
The interactions between companies, no matter what the contract or tos states, are governed by law. Apple can’t build anything or run any aspect of their business without the government saying ok. And government has often ruled that anticompetitive behavior violates antitrust law. From the Sherman Act: “Every contract, combination in the form of trust or otherwise, or conspiracy, in restraint of trade or commerce among the several States, or with foreign nations, is declared to be illegal.” If Apple is restraining trade (which they obviously are according to any reasonable interpretation, whether or not a court has yet ruled on it), they are breaking the law. Obviously the courts have failed us before and they take ages to rule on anything regardless, but I suspect Apple will lose in the long run.