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Everybody can't. The Hey.com email guys did the same thing. They allowed only signing into the up. No sign up. Then Apple made up another rule saying ''You dow

by ffpip 6y ago

Everybody can't. The Hey.com email guys did the same thing. They allowed only signing into the up. No sign up. Then Apple made up another rule saying ''You download the app and it does not work. Therefore it has to be removed'' . Lets keep adding more rules and exclusions as time passes. That's the Apple way of doing things.

dmitriid 6y ago
> Everybody can't. The Hey.com email guys did the same thing. They allowed only signing into the up. No sign up. Yes. And that's the gray area that needs to be challenged. Are email apps for private services reader apps? Yes, they probably are. But the current guidelines specifically tell you what reader apps are [1]. So, no, there's no "secret agreement" between Netflix and Apple. They are a reader app by Apple's definition. Same as Spotify, Kindle, etc. etc. [1] https://developer.apple.com/app-store/review/guidelines/#reader-apps https://developer.apple.com/app-store/review/guidelines/#rea...
nodamage 6y ago
Hey is not a reader app, so the rule for reader apps does not apply.
- hu3 6y ago
  Completely arbitrary rule btw. A segment gets free pass for lower fees because it is too big to get kicked from iOS while others get shafted. Just because they can.
  - dmitriid 6y ago
    That segment doesn't get a free pass lower fees. They get the same fees. The only difference: they can provide a log in without ability to sign up. Everything else is the same: the fees are the same, the prohibition to use and/or advertise payment methods outside AppStore is the same etc.
    - hu3 6y ago
      https://www.theverge.com/2020/4/1/21203630/apple-amazon-prime-video-ios-app-store-cut-exempt-program-deal https://www.theverge.com/2020/4/1/21203630/apple-amazon-prim... > Apple on Wednesday confirmed the existence of a program for streaming video providers that allows those platforms to bypass its standard 30 percent App Store fee when selling individual purchases, like movie downloads and TV show rentals. The program first became public earlier today when Amazon updated its Prime Video iOS and Apple TV apps to allow in-app purchases for the first time. It is not clear how long the program has existed, but there are at least two other providers, Altice One and Canal+, currently participating, Apple confirmed.
      - dmitriid 6y ago
        These examples are actually a good example of Apple violating its own principles. Three out of a multitude of reader apps that don't get this preferential treatment.
  - nodamage 6y ago
    I don't disagree that it's arbitrary, but the person I replied to implied Apple changed the rules specifically to block Hey's app, which is not correct.
    - dannyw 6y ago
      It is actually correct: google invented a new “consumer” vs “business” differentiation just for Hey.com that wasn’t part of the rules.

by ffpip 6y ago

dmitriid 6y ago

> Everybody can't. The Hey.com email guys did the same thing. They allowed only signing into the up. No sign up. Yes. And that's the gray area that needs to be challenged. Are email apps for private services reader apps? Yes, they probably are. But the current guidelines specifically tell you what reader apps are [1]. So, no, there's no "secret agreement" between Netflix and Apple. They are a reader app by Apple's definition. Same as Spotify, Kindle, etc. etc. [1] https://developer.apple.com/app-store/review/guidelines/#reader-apps https://developer.apple.com/app-store/review/guidelines/#rea...

nodamage 6y ago

Hey is not a reader app, so the rule for reader apps does not apply.

hu3 6y ago
Completely arbitrary rule btw. A segment gets free pass for lower fees because it is too big to get kicked from iOS while others get shafted. Just because they can.
- dmitriid 6y ago
  That segment doesn't get a free pass lower fees. They get the same fees. The only difference: they can provide a log in without ability to sign up. Everything else is the same: the fees are the same, the prohibition to use and/or advertise payment methods outside AppStore is the same etc.
  - hu3 6y ago
    https://www.theverge.com/2020/4/1/21203630/apple-amazon-prime-video-ios-app-store-cut-exempt-program-deal https://www.theverge.com/2020/4/1/21203630/apple-amazon-prim... > Apple on Wednesday confirmed the existence of a program for streaming video providers that allows those platforms to bypass its standard 30 percent App Store fee when selling individual purchases, like movie downloads and TV show rentals. The program first became public earlier today when Amazon updated its Prime Video iOS and Apple TV apps to allow in-app purchases for the first time. It is not clear how long the program has existed, but there are at least two other providers, Altice One and Canal+, currently participating, Apple confirmed.
    - dmitriid 6y ago
      These examples are actually a good example of Apple violating its own principles. Three out of a multitude of reader apps that don't get this preferential treatment.
- nodamage 6y ago
  I don't disagree that it's arbitrary, but the person I replied to implied Apple changed the rules specifically to block Hey's app, which is not correct.
  - dannyw 6y ago
    It is actually correct: google invented a new “consumer” vs “business” differentiation just for Hey.com that wasn’t part of the rules.