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That seems like a pretty big loophole if applied. Taken to the logical extreme, one could make an app that streams raw user inputs to a server and streams back

That seems like a pretty big loophole if applied. Taken to the logical extreme, one could make an app that streams raw user inputs to a server and streams back a video output and be allowed to do whatever they like (albeit with horrendous performance).

derefr 6y ago
Apple already declared a policy against game-streaming service apps; presumably specifically to avoid this loophole where the ads, purchases, etc. are happening “remotely” and so Apple can’t get a cut of them. Presumably, if anyone tried to build a service for “streaming” non-game apps, that wouldn’t be allowed on the App Store either.
- deadmutex 6y ago
  > Apple already declared a policy against game-streaming service apps. I thought they did just the opposite? 4.9: Streaming games Streaming games are permitted so long as they adhere to all guidelines — for example, each game update must be submitted for review, developers must provide appropriate metadata for search, games must use in-app purchase to unlock features or functionality, etc. Of course, there is always the open Internet and web browser apps to reach all users outside of the App Store.
  - deadmutex 6y ago
    Although, they seem pretty heavily biased towards Apple: https://www.androidpolice.com/2020/09/11/apple-establishes-ridiculous-requirements-for-stadia-and-xbox-game-streaming-on-ios/ https://www.androidpolice.com/2020/09/11/apple-establishes-r...
  - strictnein 6y ago
    The only service that can meet all that is their own, so they're pretending to allow something they're actually prohibiting.
- alasdair_ 6y ago
  The PS4 apps currently allow a user to access tgeir console via ios without any of this other stuff.
pieno 6y ago
They've thought of that loophole and closed it already ;-) Basically you can only stream from a device that is owned by the user/owner of the iPhone/iPad on the same LAN, and you should not use streaming to mimic a thin client of a cloud app. See rule 4.7.2 on Remote Desktop Clients. (Note: this does not apply for "generic" remote desktop clients that are not intended to stream specific apps or services, such as the generic Microsoft Remote Desktop Client for iOS.)
Spivak 6y ago
I mean this is the main argument against game streaming and HN seems to take the 100% opposite opinion.
alasdair_ 6y ago
Hey, you just described Stadia!

derefr 6y ago

Apple already declared a policy against game-streaming service apps; presumably specifically to avoid this loophole where the ads, purchases, etc. are happening “remotely” and so Apple can’t get a cut of them. Presumably, if anyone tried to build a service for “streaming” non-game apps, that wouldn’t be allowed on the App Store either.

deadmutex 6y ago
> Apple already declared a policy against game-streaming service apps. I thought they did just the opposite? 4.9: Streaming games Streaming games are permitted so long as they adhere to all guidelines — for example, each game update must be submitted for review, developers must provide appropriate metadata for search, games must use in-app purchase to unlock features or functionality, etc. Of course, there is always the open Internet and web browser apps to reach all users outside of the App Store.
- deadmutex 6y ago
  Although, they seem pretty heavily biased towards Apple: https://www.androidpolice.com/2020/09/11/apple-establishes-ridiculous-requirements-for-stadia-and-xbox-game-streaming-on-ios/ https://www.androidpolice.com/2020/09/11/apple-establishes-r...
- strictnein 6y ago
  The only service that can meet all that is their own, so they're pretending to allow something they're actually prohibiting.
alasdair_ 6y ago
The PS4 apps currently allow a user to access tgeir console via ios without any of this other stuff.

pieno 6y ago

They've thought of that loophole and closed it already ;-) Basically you can only stream from a device that is owned by the user/owner of the iPhone/iPad on the same LAN, and you should not use streaming to mimic a thin client of a cloud app. See rule 4.7.2 on Remote Desktop Clients. (Note: this does not apply for "generic" remote desktop clients that are not intended to stream specific apps or services, such as the generic Microsoft Remote Desktop Client for iOS.)

Spivak 6y ago

I mean this is the main argument against game streaming and HN seems to take the 100% opposite opinion.

alasdair_ 6y ago

Hey, you just described Stadia!