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>>"All of this and more, for £200,000 a year." Unless the British Government is giving out some windfall of equity this is the compensation package of a mid le

>>"All of this and more, for £200,000 a year." Unless the British Government is giving out some windfall of equity this is the compensation package of a mid level software engineer at FAANG. For anyone remotely qualified for this kind of job it is an absurd pay cut. Given this budget I would suspect that the department will also be asked to hire staff at salaries that are well below market rates. In other words the position is set up to fail and a simple google search could have shown as much.

johnnyfaehell 6y ago
Last I heard FAANG pay between 70 and 80 in London for mid-level, no? There is a big difference between US and UK salaries. (Big difference in cost of living and taxes)
- salmonlogs 6y ago
  As a former London based FAANG employee my experience is that base salary might be that for a relatively junior engineer, but a mid-level with 5-8 years experience would make around £150-200k total comp (base, bonus, stock, benefits). 10-15 years experience is £250-400k++ total comp range
  - user5994461 6y ago
    I don't think what you call mid-level would be considered only mid-level by other people. FAANG is also quite a bit harder to get into in London than in the valley, smaller offices and more picky.
  - heavenlyblue 6y ago
    What was your base salary and the compensation?
  - deleted 6y ago
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  - jokethrowaway 6y ago
    https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1228454264915271683.html https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1228454264915271683.html Dan Abramov makes 100k + stocks at FB
_Wintermute 6y ago
£200,000 is a really great salary in the UK.
- StillBored 6y ago
  For someone with the title CIO at a company with >15k employees? They are probably getting a fair number of resume's from CIO's at smaller companies, or mid level people. And like all good HR departments rejecting everyone who isn't making a horizontal move. OTOH, lets say your looking for a pay raise, would you go deal with the government or jump ship and take a title cut at a us based multinational? https://seekingalpha.com/news/3502418-apple-hires-astrazeneca-exec https://seekingalpha.com/news/3502418-apple-hires-astrazenec...
- ghaff 6y ago
  Well, it's a pretty nice salary in the US as well (if not so much at the highest levels of large private organizations or at large SV tech employers).
pjc50 6y ago
It's more than the PM's official salary. It's almost as much as he was paid for a ten hours a week journo sinecure. https://www.pressgazette.co.uk/ex-foreign-secretary-boris-johnson-paid-275000-annual-salary-for-ten-hours-a-month-writing-weekly-telegraph-column/ https://www.pressgazette.co.uk/ex-foreign-secretary-boris-jo...
- ben_w 6y ago
  Johnson also described that pay as chicken feed: https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2009/jul/13/boris-johnson-second-salary-chickenfeed https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2009/jul/13/boris-johns...
- cannam 6y ago
  > It's more than the PM's official salary I remember going to a party in west London at the time of the MPs' expenses scandal (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Kingdom_parliamentary_expenses_scandal https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Kingdom_parliamentary_e... - remember when this was our biggest news?) and listening to people saying things like "well it's no wonder they claim for all this stuff, you can't live in London on 60K" (roughly an MP's salary at the time). I was just amazed by that - as a member of the shiny technological elite I thought of £60K as a pretty fat wedge. Still do really. I think here, and in Europe generally, software people are usually paid as ordinary office workers who happen to have some useful skill, not as transformative irreplaceable self-governing magicians. Seeing that this job pays £200K actually makes me wonder for a moment if I shouldn't apply myself. I could do two or maybe three years at that salary and never have to work again.
ben_w 6y ago
Average UK tech pay isn’t as high as that, at least not on average: https://www.glassdoor.co.uk/Salaries/london-senior-developer-salary-SRCH_IL.0,6_IM1035_KO7,23.htm https://www.glassdoor.co.uk/Salaries/london-senior-developer... This may itself be one of the reasons why the UK never developed one of the trillion-dollar businesses that they are reportedly looking to create.

johnnyfaehell 6y ago

Last I heard FAANG pay between 70 and 80 in London for mid-level, no? There is a big difference between US and UK salaries. (Big difference in cost of living and taxes)

salmonlogs 6y ago
As a former London based FAANG employee my experience is that base salary might be that for a relatively junior engineer, but a mid-level with 5-8 years experience would make around £150-200k total comp (base, bonus, stock, benefits). 10-15 years experience is £250-400k++ total comp range
- user5994461 6y ago
  I don't think what you call mid-level would be considered only mid-level by other people. FAANG is also quite a bit harder to get into in London than in the valley, smaller offices and more picky.
- heavenlyblue 6y ago
  What was your base salary and the compensation?
- deleted 6y ago
  [deleted]
- jokethrowaway 6y ago
  https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1228454264915271683.html https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1228454264915271683.html Dan Abramov makes 100k + stocks at FB

_Wintermute 6y ago

£200,000 is a really great salary in the UK.

StillBored 6y ago
For someone with the title CIO at a company with >15k employees? They are probably getting a fair number of resume's from CIO's at smaller companies, or mid level people. And like all good HR departments rejecting everyone who isn't making a horizontal move. OTOH, lets say your looking for a pay raise, would you go deal with the government or jump ship and take a title cut at a us based multinational? https://seekingalpha.com/news/3502418-apple-hires-astrazeneca-exec https://seekingalpha.com/news/3502418-apple-hires-astrazenec...
ghaff 6y ago
Well, it's a pretty nice salary in the US as well (if not so much at the highest levels of large private organizations or at large SV tech employers).

pjc50 6y ago

It's more than the PM's official salary. It's almost as much as he was paid for a ten hours a week journo sinecure. https://www.pressgazette.co.uk/ex-foreign-secretary-boris-johnson-paid-275000-annual-salary-for-ten-hours-a-month-writing-weekly-telegraph-column/ https://www.pressgazette.co.uk/ex-foreign-secretary-boris-jo...

ben_w 6y ago
Johnson also described that pay as chicken feed: https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2009/jul/13/boris-johnson-second-salary-chickenfeed https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2009/jul/13/boris-johns...
cannam 6y ago
> It's more than the PM's official salary I remember going to a party in west London at the time of the MPs' expenses scandal (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Kingdom_parliamentary_expenses_scandal https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Kingdom_parliamentary_e... - remember when this was our biggest news?) and listening to people saying things like "well it's no wonder they claim for all this stuff, you can't live in London on 60K" (roughly an MP's salary at the time). I was just amazed by that - as a member of the shiny technological elite I thought of £60K as a pretty fat wedge. Still do really. I think here, and in Europe generally, software people are usually paid as ordinary office workers who happen to have some useful skill, not as transformative irreplaceable self-governing magicians. Seeing that this job pays £200K actually makes me wonder for a moment if I shouldn't apply myself. I could do two or maybe three years at that salary and never have to work again.

ben_w 6y ago

Average UK tech pay isn’t as high as that, at least not on average: https://www.glassdoor.co.uk/Salaries/london-senior-developer-salary-SRCH_IL.0,6_IM1035_KO7,23.htm https://www.glassdoor.co.uk/Salaries/london-senior-developer... This may itself be one of the reasons why the UK never developed one of the trillion-dollar businesses that they are reportedly looking to create.