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I seem to be repeating myself to young whippersnappers, but the web is not the same as the internet. Here is the early history of the internet/arpanet: http://
by maire 6y ago
I seem to be repeating myself to young whippersnappers, but the web is not the same as the internet.
Here is the early history of the internet/arpanet: http://mercury.lcs.mit.edu/~jnc/tech/arpageo.html http://mercury.lcs.mit.edu/~jnc/tech/arpageo.html
The internet clearly predated Minitel. The big difference is that it was not initially used for commerce. It was to link the military with universities.
I joined Xerox in 1985. Two years earlier the network we were on converted from Arpanet to Internet. There might have been some group somewhere in Xerox that was still on the Arpanet but the military were worried about security so they created the Internet. You can call the exact date of the split between arpanet and internet as being the birth of the internet.
Sometime in 1980 I was also involved in hooking up the internet to my college.
Urls also predated the web because they were used on the internet.
The web made the internet easier to use - that is true. But before then we still had email and discussion boards and distribution groups. It was all text based and somewhat ugly.
- mattl 6y ago> Urls also predated the web because they were used on the internet. Can you give me an example of a pre-web URL?
- not2b 6y agoURLs were invented by Tim Berners-Lee. They do not precede the web. There were separate namespaces before the web; there was Gopher and FTP, and various shorthands to indicate the combination of a site and a path, but no standard, universal resource locator (see what I did there?).
- mattl 6y agoThat's indeed what I thought. A lot of people call domain names URLs, which is where I thought the OP was going.
- maire 6y agoSorry for the lack of clarity - I was thinking of Gopher.
- 082349872349872 6y agoagreed. https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CqkJwTWWcAA88PL.jpg https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CqkJwTWWcAA88PL.jpg
- boudin 6y agoThere was an experimental network in France before the Transpaq network of the minitel that was designed for inter-connectivity. It strongly inspired TCP/IP which is, in my opinion, what actually created the Internet of today (having a world-wide network of networks). https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/CYCLADES https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/CYCLADES I don't think the vision of the minitel was to build an international network though, so there might not have been much interest in inter-connectivity I guess.
- 082349872349872 6y agohttps://www.cwi.nl/about/history/cwi-achievements-details https://www.cwi.nl/about/history/cwi-achievements-details > "CWI established the first connection between Europe and the Internet on November 17, 1988." https://firstmonday.org/ojs/index.php/fm/article/view/613/534 https://firstmonday.org/ojs/index.php/fm/article/view/613/53... > "Not only were links within North America difficult to establish, but Dik Winter, from the Netherlands, describes how the first cross Atlantic Usenet link was delayed until 1982-1983 because of the difficulty of acquiring an autodialer modem that conformed to European standards. The mail link ... connected the site decvax at Digital Equipment Corporation (DEC) in the U. S. with mcvax at Mathematisch Centrum (MC) in the Netherlands." Télétel was 1980. a cold war poisson d'avril: https://godfatherof.nl/kremvax.html https://godfatherof.nl/kremvax.html
- gumby 6y ago> "CWI established the first connection between Europe and the Internet on November 17, 1988” Not at all true; I used to connect from the Centre Mondial in Paris via transpac to MIT-Multics to read my email in 1982. And that only worked because those links already existed.
- 082349872349872 6y agohttps://halshs.archives-ouvertes.fr/halshs-01824541/document https://halshs.archives-ouvertes.fr/halshs-01824541/document suggests all may be true: TRANSPAC was X.25 (presumably terminated similarly at MIT? I know nothing about ITU.), USENET piggybacked on voice networks, and 1988 was presumably when regular IP packets started being routed.
- 082349872349872 6y agohttps://www.telegraph.co.uk/technology/connecting-britain/first-public-transatlantic-phone-service/ https://www.telegraph.co.uk/technology/connecting-britain/fi... suggests that international direct dial wasn't even widespread in the UK before the 1980's.
- echoradio 6y agoThe split you talk about, did the networks become MILNet and NSFNet? I always thought Arpanet was decommissioned, not transferred to the military. Or was it just the wording that made it seem Arpanet was shut down? Genuinely curious about Internet history details. Thank you!
- frank2 6y agohttp://www.internetnews.com/blog/skerner/30-years-of-tcpip-dominance-began-with-a-deadline.html http://www.internetnews.com/blog/skerner/30-years-of-tcpip-d...