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>There could be two exit points from the review process. One would be for apps that don’t want to be on the App Store. They could be cleared as free from malwar

by ginko 6y ago

>There could be two exit points from the review process. One would be for apps that don’t want to be on the App Store. They could be cleared as free from malware, egregious behaviour, etc. and allowed to be installed through any independent means. I don't see how such a review process would work for free software. The user should be free to run whatever software they wish on their own device.

Retric 6y ago
The review process what makes iOS so useful. People can install random software in a way you can’t safely do on Windows. Sure power users might not notice the difference, but people feel safe hand their phones/tablets to little kids and let them install random games. Scaling that review process across every update either means everyone pays a percentage which hurts large business or everyone pays a significant fee which hurts independent developers and discourages bug fixes.
- madeofpalk 6y ago
  Really? How much of this comes from manual reviewing and not sandboxing and technical security policy of iOS?
  - Retric 6y ago
    iOS’s current sandboxing model is heavily dependent on the review process. It’s arguable what could be achieved in theory if they where going to let arbitrary apps be installed, but right now iOS on it’s own is simply inadequate.
- romanoderoma 6y ago
  > The review process what makes iOS so useful. People can install random software in a way you can’t safely do on Windows Counter opinion Billions of devices are scanned everyday thanks to specialized software that do it locally They are called anti virus (also check for malware, trojan, backdoor, rootkit etc. etc.)
  - Retric 6y ago
    You can do incredible amounts of harm to your PC without installing a virus. Ironically installing every virus scanning software at the same time results in massive issues.
    - romanoderoma 6y ago
      > Ironically installing every virus scanning software at the same time results in massive issues. That's both fun and saddening, and also true But I have to say that Apple store policies results in massive issues as well The illusion of choice is more dangerous than too much freedom.
  - nemothekid 6y ago
    >They are called anti virus (also check for malware, trojan, backdoor, rootkit etc. etc.) 1. And most anti-virus are considered a scam by most people 2. Apps that make egregious use of device APIs to implement tracking won't be flagged as a virus.
    - romanoderoma 6y ago
      > 1. And most anti-virus are considered a scam by most people Many people consider iPhone prices a scam and yet... > 2. Apps that make egregious use of device APIs to implement tracking won't be flagged as a virus. That's true for the iPhone as well Apple itself track its users. from a news report in the Washington Post > Apple says, “What happens on your iPhone stays on your iPhone.” Our privacy experiment showed 5,400 hidden app trackers guzzled our data — in a single week The point was that the check could be implemented by third party software on the device or by a software specifically crafted by the publishers, you don't need the Apple check, which is also very opaque.
rusticpenn 6y ago
This is the main reason why I had to move my parents from android to IOS. The free apks were ruining their experience and my work/support/life balance.

by ginko 6y ago

Retric 6y ago

The review process what makes iOS so useful. People can install random software in a way you can’t safely do on Windows. Sure power users might not notice the difference, but people feel safe hand their phones/tablets to little kids and let them install random games. Scaling that review process across every update either means everyone pays a percentage which hurts large business or everyone pays a significant fee which hurts independent developers and discourages bug fixes.

madeofpalk 6y ago
Really? How much of this comes from manual reviewing and not sandboxing and technical security policy of iOS?
- Retric 6y ago
  iOS’s current sandboxing model is heavily dependent on the review process. It’s arguable what could be achieved in theory if they where going to let arbitrary apps be installed, but right now iOS on it’s own is simply inadequate.
romanoderoma 6y ago
> The review process what makes iOS so useful. People can install random software in a way you can’t safely do on Windows Counter opinion Billions of devices are scanned everyday thanks to specialized software that do it locally They are called anti virus (also check for malware, trojan, backdoor, rootkit etc. etc.)
- Retric 6y ago
  You can do incredible amounts of harm to your PC without installing a virus. Ironically installing every virus scanning software at the same time results in massive issues.
  - romanoderoma 6y ago
    > Ironically installing every virus scanning software at the same time results in massive issues. That's both fun and saddening, and also true But I have to say that Apple store policies results in massive issues as well The illusion of choice is more dangerous than too much freedom.
- nemothekid 6y ago
  >They are called anti virus (also check for malware, trojan, backdoor, rootkit etc. etc.) 1. And most anti-virus are considered a scam by most people 2. Apps that make egregious use of device APIs to implement tracking won't be flagged as a virus.
  - romanoderoma 6y ago
    > 1. And most anti-virus are considered a scam by most people Many people consider iPhone prices a scam and yet... > 2. Apps that make egregious use of device APIs to implement tracking won't be flagged as a virus. That's true for the iPhone as well Apple itself track its users. from a news report in the Washington Post > Apple says, “What happens on your iPhone stays on your iPhone.” Our privacy experiment showed 5,400 hidden app trackers guzzled our data — in a single week The point was that the check could be implemented by third party software on the device or by a software specifically crafted by the publishers, you don't need the Apple check, which is also very opaque.

rusticpenn 6y ago

This is the main reason why I had to move my parents from android to IOS. The free apks were ruining their experience and my work/support/life balance.