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Microsoft is apparently not one of the monopolies he wants stopped, because he is incredibly hostile towards Linux and Linux support for games. I can't stand th

Microsoft is apparently not one of the monopolies he wants stopped, because he is incredibly hostile towards Linux and Linux support for games. I can't stand this dude and his ramblings.

Kuinox 6y ago
Hate against linux for a gamedev is understable.
- KitDuncan 6y ago
  I understand not actively supporting it, but why hate or actively try to work against it?
  - Kuinox 6y ago
    Personally, I tolerate/support linux only because it's the only OSS alternative to windows (Yeah I know about OpenBSD). I absolutely dislike some of linux philosophy like "everything is a file" which I find plain wrong. But I agree that he go too far and hurt users only due to engineering taste.
pjmlp 6y ago
He is just trying to push Epic Store and getting part of the pie, everything else is mindless blah blah.
- LegitShady 6y ago
  It's not mindless it's just he's lying about what he values
  - pjmlp 6y ago
    Yep, that is another way of putting it.
- trabant00 6y ago
  Exactly. He's just using keywords like monopoly and stuff to gather support. And overall I don't understand why people take sides in corporate battles like any of those mega corporations stand for morals or the greater good or anything like that.
  - anoraca 6y ago
    Because some corporations actually do make efforts towards improving society: https://www.apple.com/supplier-responsibility/ https://www.apple.com/supplier-responsibility/ https://www.apple.com/environment/ https://www.apple.com/environment/
    - toyg 6y ago
      Some corporations are shamed into doing the right thing, typically after an extensive period of morality-free cash-hoarding. Apple was just fine with their supply chain until news emerged of conditions down there (and Cook being a logistic guy, he’s clearly always known), at which point they hd to save face. Similarly, they keep saying they are green but have no qualms pushing out billions of unrecycleable and un-serviceable electronics every year, without taking any real responsibility for disposing of them. Corporate ethics are hypocrisy all the way down.
      - mercer 6y ago
        I'm an Apple fan but the AirPods are a pretty decent counterpoint to Apple being 'green'.
  - izacus 6y ago
    Because one side of this dispute benefits us as customers. It's that simple.
    - trabant00 6y ago
      Which one and how? And how are you sure they're not just faking it?
realradicalwash 6y ago
think about steam whatever you want, but they've done some real fantastic work there with their linux support. the other day i installed forged alliance -from 2007, only supports win natively- on my linux machine and it was easy as pie: after a few mins of downloading and installing, the game was up and running.
Zhyl 6y ago
It seems silly to me. Commodification of the platform would be massively beneficial for Epic. At the very least I'd be neutral towards it and just allow Valve to do all the expensive heavy lifting, then work on my own Linux compatibility and support in the background.
- thathndude 6y ago
  If anyone thinks for one second that this guy actually cares about any of this (beyond the extra 30% he could pull) I have a bridge to sell you.
  - Zhyl 6y ago
    Well I guess this is my larger confusion/concern: only people in the gaming space seem to be seeing this for what it really is. Media outlets so far seem to be running with the 'Epic is taking on the establishment' narrative.
coldpie 6y ago
Hey there, I work in the Linux gaming space. Epic and Tim Sweeney are not hostile towards Linux. The worst you can say is they're indifferent (and can you blame them, given the size of that market?), but even that is not true. Epic's game engine supports Linux. Could they do more to support Linux gaming? Sure. But that's not the same as being "incredibly hostile."
- skeeterbug 6y ago
  Epic purchased Rocket League developer Psyonix and ended Linux support for the game shortly after: https://www.rocketleague.com/news/ending-support-for-mac-and-linux/ https://www.rocketleague.com/news/ending-support-for-mac-and...
  - coldpie 6y ago
    Also macOS[1]. It was part of their upgrade to use a newer DirectX version[2]. Rather than maintain two renderers, they chose to end support for OSes which don't have DirectX support. If it costs more to maintain support for a platform than that support brings in, why would they do it? [1] https://support.rocketleague.com/hc/en-us/articles/360042201433 https://support.rocketleague.com/hc/en-us/articles/360042201... [2] https://support.rocketleague.com/hc/en-us/articles/360043307733-DirectX-11 https://support.rocketleague.com/hc/en-us/articles/360043307...
    - dx87 6y ago
      The main reason they should support it is because people paid money for a Linux version.
      - ksec 6y ago
        And they were refunded? ( Even after thousands hours of Game Play Entertainment Hours )
    - kec 6y ago
      If that were the real reason, why is rocket league still available on both the ps4 and Nintendo switch?
moogly 6y ago
Hmmm, I remember Epic spending quite a bit of effort to get the Unreal Engine running on Linux back in Unreal Tournament 99 times, even hiring Daniel Vogel full-time to work on it.
aftergibson 6y ago
I'm not the biggest fan of Epic Games or Tim Sweeney and it's probably a drop in the ocean, but Epic did donate $25k to Lutris. Why do this if Tim is "incredibly hostile towards Linux"? Seems more like indifference to me.

Microsoft is apparently not one of the monopolies he wants stopped, because he is incredibly hostile towards Linux and Linux support for games. I can't stand this dude and his ramblings.

Kuinox 6y ago

Hate against linux for a gamedev is understable.

KitDuncan 6y ago
I understand not actively supporting it, but why hate or actively try to work against it?
- Kuinox 6y ago
  Personally, I tolerate/support linux only because it's the only OSS alternative to windows (Yeah I know about OpenBSD). I absolutely dislike some of linux philosophy like "everything is a file" which I find plain wrong. But I agree that he go too far and hurt users only due to engineering taste.

pjmlp 6y ago

He is just trying to push Epic Store and getting part of the pie, everything else is mindless blah blah.

LegitShady 6y ago
It's not mindless it's just he's lying about what he values
- pjmlp 6y ago
  Yep, that is another way of putting it.
trabant00 6y ago
Exactly. He's just using keywords like monopoly and stuff to gather support. And overall I don't understand why people take sides in corporate battles like any of those mega corporations stand for morals or the greater good or anything like that.
- anoraca 6y ago
  Because some corporations actually do make efforts towards improving society: https://www.apple.com/supplier-responsibility/ https://www.apple.com/supplier-responsibility/ https://www.apple.com/environment/ https://www.apple.com/environment/
  - toyg 6y ago
    Some corporations are shamed into doing the right thing, typically after an extensive period of morality-free cash-hoarding. Apple was just fine with their supply chain until news emerged of conditions down there (and Cook being a logistic guy, he’s clearly always known), at which point they hd to save face. Similarly, they keep saying they are green but have no qualms pushing out billions of unrecycleable and un-serviceable electronics every year, without taking any real responsibility for disposing of them. Corporate ethics are hypocrisy all the way down.
    - mercer 6y ago
      I'm an Apple fan but the AirPods are a pretty decent counterpoint to Apple being 'green'.
- izacus 6y ago
  Because one side of this dispute benefits us as customers. It's that simple.
  - trabant00 6y ago
    Which one and how? And how are you sure they're not just faking it?

realradicalwash 6y ago

think about steam whatever you want, but they've done some real fantastic work there with their linux support. the other day i installed forged alliance -from 2007, only supports win natively- on my linux machine and it was easy as pie: after a few mins of downloading and installing, the game was up and running.

Zhyl 6y ago

It seems silly to me. Commodification of the platform would be massively beneficial for Epic. At the very least I'd be neutral towards it and just allow Valve to do all the expensive heavy lifting, then work on my own Linux compatibility and support in the background.

thathndude 6y ago
If anyone thinks for one second that this guy actually cares about any of this (beyond the extra 30% he could pull) I have a bridge to sell you.
- Zhyl 6y ago
  Well I guess this is my larger confusion/concern: only people in the gaming space seem to be seeing this for what it really is. Media outlets so far seem to be running with the 'Epic is taking on the establishment' narrative.

coldpie 6y ago

Hey there, I work in the Linux gaming space. Epic and Tim Sweeney are not hostile towards Linux. The worst you can say is they're indifferent (and can you blame them, given the size of that market?), but even that is not true. Epic's game engine supports Linux. Could they do more to support Linux gaming? Sure. But that's not the same as being "incredibly hostile."

skeeterbug 6y ago
Epic purchased Rocket League developer Psyonix and ended Linux support for the game shortly after: https://www.rocketleague.com/news/ending-support-for-mac-and-linux/ https://www.rocketleague.com/news/ending-support-for-mac-and...
- coldpie 6y ago
  Also macOS[1]. It was part of their upgrade to use a newer DirectX version[2]. Rather than maintain two renderers, they chose to end support for OSes which don't have DirectX support. If it costs more to maintain support for a platform than that support brings in, why would they do it? [1] https://support.rocketleague.com/hc/en-us/articles/360042201433 https://support.rocketleague.com/hc/en-us/articles/360042201... [2] https://support.rocketleague.com/hc/en-us/articles/360043307733-DirectX-11 https://support.rocketleague.com/hc/en-us/articles/360043307...
  - dx87 6y ago
    The main reason they should support it is because people paid money for a Linux version.
    - ksec 6y ago
      And they were refunded? ( Even after thousands hours of Game Play Entertainment Hours )
  - kec 6y ago
    If that were the real reason, why is rocket league still available on both the ps4 and Nintendo switch?

moogly 6y ago

Hmmm, I remember Epic spending quite a bit of effort to get the Unreal Engine running on Linux back in Unreal Tournament 99 times, even hiring Daniel Vogel full-time to work on it.

aftergibson 6y ago

I'm not the biggest fan of Epic Games or Tim Sweeney and it's probably a drop in the ocean, but Epic did donate $25k to Lutris. Why do this if Tim is "incredibly hostile towards Linux"? Seems more like indifference to me.