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Have you considered that Mussolini didn't care about the trains which weren't high-profile trains for elites? The person you're responding to said dictators do

Have you considered that Mussolini didn't care about the trains which weren't high-profile trains for elites? The person you're responding to said dictators do what they want efficiently, but don't care about what others want. Was Mussolini even trying to genuinely improve the lower class trains?

bonzini 6y ago
In Italy to this day the line about trains running on time is spoken with reference to lower class trains. So no matter what the fascist regime wanted to improve, the propaganda was about _all_ trains.
- thotsBgone 6y ago
  Mussolini would have said he cared about lower-class trains running on time whether or not he did.
pasabagi 6y ago
Intuitively, a state with a dictator should be more chaotic than a democracy, because the decisiveness mentioned in the grandparent comment would result in a loss of coherence in policy, since all the interest groups in the government would not have been brought on board in time. At best, this would lead to miscommunication, at worst, revolt. I'm not sure that decisiveness is a natural characteristic of dictatorship, though. Most dictators sit at the pinnacle of large networks of clients and rely implicitly on their network of relationships to maintain legitimacy. This would imply they would have to be more 'softly-softly' than an equivalent democracy, because they can't rely on all the systems democracies have to legitimize contentious decisions (elections, etc).
- ogogmad 6y ago
  Relevant: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=24377232 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=24377232
tessierashpool 6y ago
dictators don't do what they want efficiently. nor do they do anything else efficiently. if you were to read the links I posted in the comment you're replying to, you would discover that an expert who was there at the time reported that all of the trains were typically late during Mussolini's regime. this includes both the trains which were favored by elites, and the trains favored by the working class.

bonzini 6y ago

In Italy to this day the line about trains running on time is spoken with reference to lower class trains. So no matter what the fascist regime wanted to improve, the propaganda was about _all_ trains.

thotsBgone 6y ago
Mussolini would have said he cared about lower-class trains running on time whether or not he did.

pasabagi 6y ago

Intuitively, a state with a dictator should be more chaotic than a democracy, because the decisiveness mentioned in the grandparent comment would result in a loss of coherence in policy, since all the interest groups in the government would not have been brought on board in time. At best, this would lead to miscommunication, at worst, revolt. I'm not sure that decisiveness is a natural characteristic of dictatorship, though. Most dictators sit at the pinnacle of large networks of clients and rely implicitly on their network of relationships to maintain legitimacy. This would imply they would have to be more 'softly-softly' than an equivalent democracy, because they can't rely on all the systems democracies have to legitimize contentious decisions (elections, etc).

ogogmad 6y ago
Relevant: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=24377232 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=24377232

tessierashpool 6y ago

dictators don't do what they want efficiently. nor do they do anything else efficiently. if you were to read the links I posted in the comment you're replying to, you would discover that an expert who was there at the time reported that all of the trains were typically late during Mussolini's regime. this includes both the trains which were favored by elites, and the trains favored by the working class.