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VSCode/Atom/Sublime all operate broadly the same way. To continue the car analogy, there's a wheel right in front of you, two or three pedals by your feet and a

by M2Ys4U 6y ago

VSCode/Atom/Sublime all operate broadly the same way. To continue the car analogy, there's a wheel right in front of you, two or three pedals by your feet and a gear stick next to you. In this analogy, emacs' accelerator is on the ceiling, the bake hangs off the side and to steer you need to tap out the morse code for the words left and right on the dashboard. Can you become proficient using that kind of interface? Probably. Can you change the interface to something more sane? Sure, but you have to first learn how to weld...

taeric 6y ago
I think that is being deliberately unkind to emacs. It would be closer to comparing it to a car designed 30 years ago in a country that drove on the other side of the road. Most all of the major points are the same, just in a different location. Even better, compare it to driving a boat, when you've been used to cars. (Or, for that matter, realize that it is a stick shift car when you've been used to automatic. And slowly realize everyone has a slightly different way to get their system running as an automatic.)
- BeetleB 6y ago
  Given that I love Emacs, I hate to disagree with you, but I must: This is like a car model that came into existence 40 years ago, but is still making cars today. Ford is over a 100 years old. Yet I have no problem getting into a rented Ford and driving without consulting the manual.
  - taeric 6y ago
    As someone that used to drive a lot of rentals, I think you overstate how seamless it is to get going in a car. More, I think this glosses over how difficult cars used to be, to operate. With how unreliable early spark plugs and carburetors were, it is hard to state how far things really have come. And my point is I agree that vanilla Emacs can feel spartan. Thing is, my customizations have aged really well. My config for Emacs hasn't changed too much in over a decade. That kind of stability is hard to put value on. Especially when our industry seems to price itself on instability.

by M2Ys4U 6y ago

taeric 6y ago

I think that is being deliberately unkind to emacs. It would be closer to comparing it to a car designed 30 years ago in a country that drove on the other side of the road. Most all of the major points are the same, just in a different location. Even better, compare it to driving a boat, when you've been used to cars. (Or, for that matter, realize that it is a stick shift car when you've been used to automatic. And slowly realize everyone has a slightly different way to get their system running as an automatic.)

BeetleB 6y ago
Given that I love Emacs, I hate to disagree with you, but I must: This is like a car model that came into existence 40 years ago, but is still making cars today. Ford is over a 100 years old. Yet I have no problem getting into a rented Ford and driving without consulting the manual.
- taeric 6y ago
  As someone that used to drive a lot of rentals, I think you overstate how seamless it is to get going in a car. More, I think this glosses over how difficult cars used to be, to operate. With how unreliable early spark plugs and carburetors were, it is hard to state how far things really have come. And my point is I agree that vanilla Emacs can feel spartan. Thing is, my customizations have aged really well. My config for Emacs hasn't changed too much in over a decade. That kind of stability is hard to put value on. Especially when our industry seems to price itself on instability.