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ICANN sold out the internet. The namespace is all but ruined. .PHOTO, .PHOTOGRAPHY, .PHOTOS, .PICS, .PICTURES This should offend everyone.

by nfoz 6y ago

codethief 6y ago
I'm more concerned about TLDs like: .ACCENTURE .AIRBUS .AMERICANEXPRESS .AMERICANFAMILY .AVIANCA .BAIDU .BARCLAYCARD .BARCLAYS .BENTLEY .BESTBUY .BLOOMBERG .BNPPARIBAS .BOEHRINGER .BUGATTI .CALVINKLEIN .CAPITALONE .CITI .EPSON .ERICSSON .FERRARI .FUJITSU .GMAIL .GODADDY .HDFC .HDFCBANK .HITACHI .HYATT .HYUNDAI .JAGUAR .JEEP .JPMORGAN .JUNIPER .KERRYHOTELS .KERRYLOGISTICS .KERRYPROPERTIES .LACAIXA .LAMBORGHINI .LANDROVER .LANXESS .LPLFINANCIAL .MASERATI .MATTEL .MCKINSEY .MICROSOFT .MITSUBISHI .NETFLIX .NORTHWESTERNMUTUAL .OLAYANGROUP .PANASONIC .PRAMERICA .SAMSUNG .SCHAEFFLER .SCJOHNSON .SONY .STCGROUP .SUZUKI .SWATCH .TIFFANY .TOSHIBA .VIRGIN .VOLKSWAGEN It's disgusting.
- AmericanChopper 6y ago
  If those TLDs were actually useful, then the domain name system would be in much better shape than it actually is. In reality, you have .gov for government, .com for business, .org for organisations who don’t care how much traffic they get, local country TLDs for if you operate a service for one country only, and tons and tons of garbage. com is the only TLD that has any value for international commerce. It doesn’t matter that .netflix exists, because it will never be used for anything productive. The problem is that you can only ever count on a person knowing .com and their local TLD. Everything else either won’t register with people as being an actual domain name, or will look like a scam to most people. The internet is locked into this system, and it’s one that cannot possibly scale. The explosion in new TLDs is an attempt to address that. But we don’t need to worry about how disgusting it is, because it’s an attempt that has failed. I would suggest two issues that are more concerning is that there is nothing that seems to be a realistic alternative or solution, and that the way this problem has played out has diminished the actual usefulness of domain names, with that gap being filled by the google search engine.
  - kohtatsu 6y ago
    There were plans on potentially allowing https://netflix/ https://netflix/ I can't recall the technical term for it though, and my search engine couldn't help me find it within a few minutes.
    - 0x76 6y ago
      It appears to be called dotless domains: https://www.icann.org/news/announcement-2013-08-30-en https://www.icann.org/news/announcement-2013-08-30-en
    - cmwelsh 6y ago
      How could it be stopped if the company owns the TLD? Do you mean bureaucratically (inside Netflix) allowing it?
      - brewmarche 6y ago
        A/AAAA records on gTLD level are not allowed by ICANN. ccTLDs may have these records (probably just an oversight from the past) and some do (http://ai http://ai. for example)
        arjarj 6y ago
        Maybe not as much as an oversight but (as I understood) mostly due the fact that most ccTLD registries predate the existence of ICANN. As the ccTLDs as such weren't issued by ICANN, there's no ICANN policy that would apply to them for stuff like this.
        sleevi 6y ago
        Not oversight nor historical: political. Countries view ccTLDs as their sovereign property and territory on the Internet, and refuse to be (involuntarily) bound to any rules or requirements as a matter of sovereignty. It’s a huge source of geopolitical conflict within the IANA/ICANN split (and with DNS in general). A number of countries have _voluntarily_ agreed to follow ICANN’s principles for good management and interoperability [1], but jurisdictions gonna jurisdict I guess. [1] https://www.icann.org/resources/pages/cctlds/cctlds-en https://www.icann.org/resources/pages/cctlds/cctlds-en
- duskwuff 6y ago
  The good news is that a lot of those have started shutting down. For example, .SYMANTEC was terminated earlier this year.
  - cj 6y ago
    For anyone else interested in terminating TLDs: https://www.icann.org/resources/pages/gtld-registry-agreement-termination-2015-10-09-en https://www.icann.org/resources/pages/gtld-registry-agreemen... JC Penny, Intel, Esurance, Vistaprint among companies terminating their TLDs.
- nooyurrsdey 6y ago
  This is such a gross misuse of power honestly.
- mcint 6y ago
  It's cute. It's nice that they make them so easy to block!
quotemstr 6y ago
Yep. The custom TLD thing is an abomination. Many of us said at the time that we'd get the proliferation of stupid that you highlight. ICANN said it wouldn't happen, because economics or good faith or something. Who was right?
- petepete 6y ago
  The "anything marketing people touch will almost-instantly turn to shit" theory still hasn't been disproved.
  - pbronez 6y ago
    Marketing people actually know & plan for this. Check out this blog post about "The Lifecycle of Lead Generation Channels" [0]. It basically says, that any given channel starts out small and high-quality, so engaging is easy and credible. As it grows marketers have to be smarter and larger to stand out. Read it as a consumer, and they're basically talking about a scorched-earth loudness war for your attention. [0] https://medium.com/point-nine-news/the-lifecycle-of-lead-generation-channels-eff1468d78c7 https://medium.com/point-nine-news/the-lifecycle-of-lead-gen...
schwartzworld 6y ago
What's the downside of these TLD's? I love the idea of a site's tld referencing what the site is about.
- nfoz 6y ago
  I can agree that .com is cluttered (with non-companies, even), and that a wider and semantic namespace could be a good thing. But in my example -- I can't imagine a site that belongs under exactly one of these TLDs. So any site that falls under one of them, conflicts mentally with a site of the same name under at least one of the others. So this hasn't expanded the namespace at all. Instead, it has poisoned the namespace. Did you want joe.photo or joe.photos? I literally just made up that example, and oh look, it's the same site. Of course it is; the moneygrab was successful. Because otherwise, users will not remember which one was right, and the two sites are competing for the same name with the same meaning.

ICANN sold out the internet. The namespace is all but ruined. .PHOTO, .PHOTOGRAPHY, .PHOTOS, .PICS, .PICTURES This should offend everyone.

by nfoz 6y ago

ICANN sold out the internet. The namespace is all but ruined. .PHOTO, .PHOTOGRAPHY, .PHOTOS, .PICS, .PICTURES This should offend everyone.

codethief 6y ago

I'm more concerned about TLDs like: .ACCENTURE .AIRBUS .AMERICANEXPRESS .AMERICANFAMILY .AVIANCA .BAIDU .BARCLAYCARD .BARCLAYS .BENTLEY .BESTBUY .BLOOMBERG .BNPPARIBAS .BOEHRINGER .BUGATTI .CALVINKLEIN .CAPITALONE .CITI .EPSON .ERICSSON .FERRARI .FUJITSU .GMAIL .GODADDY .HDFC .HDFCBANK .HITACHI .HYATT .HYUNDAI .JAGUAR .JEEP .JPMORGAN .JUNIPER .KERRYHOTELS .KERRYLOGISTICS .KERRYPROPERTIES .LACAIXA .LAMBORGHINI .LANDROVER .LANXESS .LPLFINANCIAL .MASERATI .MATTEL .MCKINSEY .MICROSOFT .MITSUBISHI .NETFLIX .NORTHWESTERNMUTUAL .OLAYANGROUP .PANASONIC .PRAMERICA .SAMSUNG .SCHAEFFLER .SCJOHNSON .SONY .STCGROUP .SUZUKI .SWATCH .TIFFANY .TOSHIBA .VIRGIN .VOLKSWAGEN It's disgusting.

AmericanChopper 6y ago
If those TLDs were actually useful, then the domain name system would be in much better shape than it actually is. In reality, you have .gov for government, .com for business, .org for organisations who don’t care how much traffic they get, local country TLDs for if you operate a service for one country only, and tons and tons of garbage. com is the only TLD that has any value for international commerce. It doesn’t matter that .netflix exists, because it will never be used for anything productive. The problem is that you can only ever count on a person knowing .com and their local TLD. Everything else either won’t register with people as being an actual domain name, or will look like a scam to most people. The internet is locked into this system, and it’s one that cannot possibly scale. The explosion in new TLDs is an attempt to address that. But we don’t need to worry about how disgusting it is, because it’s an attempt that has failed. I would suggest two issues that are more concerning is that there is nothing that seems to be a realistic alternative or solution, and that the way this problem has played out has diminished the actual usefulness of domain names, with that gap being filled by the google search engine.
- kohtatsu 6y ago
  There were plans on potentially allowing https://netflix/ https://netflix/ I can't recall the technical term for it though, and my search engine couldn't help me find it within a few minutes.
  - 0x76 6y ago
    It appears to be called dotless domains: https://www.icann.org/news/announcement-2013-08-30-en https://www.icann.org/news/announcement-2013-08-30-en
  - cmwelsh 6y ago
    How could it be stopped if the company owns the TLD? Do you mean bureaucratically (inside Netflix) allowing it?
    - brewmarche 6y ago
      A/AAAA records on gTLD level are not allowed by ICANN. ccTLDs may have these records (probably just an oversight from the past) and some do (http://ai http://ai. for example)
      - arjarj 6y ago
        Maybe not as much as an oversight but (as I understood) mostly due the fact that most ccTLD registries predate the existence of ICANN. As the ccTLDs as such weren't issued by ICANN, there's no ICANN policy that would apply to them for stuff like this.
        sleevi 6y ago
        Not oversight nor historical: political. Countries view ccTLDs as their sovereign property and territory on the Internet, and refuse to be (involuntarily) bound to any rules or requirements as a matter of sovereignty. It’s a huge source of geopolitical conflict within the IANA/ICANN split (and with DNS in general). A number of countries have _voluntarily_ agreed to follow ICANN’s principles for good management and interoperability [1], but jurisdictions gonna jurisdict I guess. [1] https://www.icann.org/resources/pages/cctlds/cctlds-en https://www.icann.org/resources/pages/cctlds/cctlds-en
duskwuff 6y ago
The good news is that a lot of those have started shutting down. For example, .SYMANTEC was terminated earlier this year.
- cj 6y ago
  For anyone else interested in terminating TLDs: https://www.icann.org/resources/pages/gtld-registry-agreement-termination-2015-10-09-en https://www.icann.org/resources/pages/gtld-registry-agreemen... JC Penny, Intel, Esurance, Vistaprint among companies terminating their TLDs.
nooyurrsdey 6y ago
This is such a gross misuse of power honestly.
mcint 6y ago
It's cute. It's nice that they make them so easy to block!

quotemstr 6y ago

Yep. The custom TLD thing is an abomination. Many of us said at the time that we'd get the proliferation of stupid that you highlight. ICANN said it wouldn't happen, because economics or good faith or something. Who was right?

petepete 6y ago
The "anything marketing people touch will almost-instantly turn to shit" theory still hasn't been disproved.
- pbronez 6y ago
  Marketing people actually know & plan for this. Check out this blog post about "The Lifecycle of Lead Generation Channels" [0]. It basically says, that any given channel starts out small and high-quality, so engaging is easy and credible. As it grows marketers have to be smarter and larger to stand out. Read it as a consumer, and they're basically talking about a scorched-earth loudness war for your attention. [0] https://medium.com/point-nine-news/the-lifecycle-of-lead-generation-channels-eff1468d78c7 https://medium.com/point-nine-news/the-lifecycle-of-lead-gen...

schwartzworld 6y ago

What's the downside of these TLD's? I love the idea of a site's tld referencing what the site is about.

nfoz 6y ago
I can agree that .com is cluttered (with non-companies, even), and that a wider and semantic namespace could be a good thing. But in my example -- I can't imagine a site that belongs under exactly one of these TLDs. So any site that falls under one of them, conflicts mentally with a site of the same name under at least one of the others. So this hasn't expanded the namespace at all. Instead, it has poisoned the namespace. Did you want joe.photo or joe.photos? I literally just made up that example, and oh look, it's the same site. Of course it is; the moneygrab was successful. Because otherwise, users will not remember which one was right, and the two sites are competing for the same name with the same meaning.