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When you find a way for a country to exist with 0 enemies, please let us all know.

srean 6y ago
Don't change goal posts now. I responded to your claim > I'm very sure that you're wrong. Do you have any evidence that the NSA kidnaps and tortures people? that NSA can get people tortured or killed without much difficulty.
- deathgrips 6y ago
  Do you think the NSA gives the orders on who to kill and who to kidnap?
  - srean 6y ago
    "Order" not sure, "recommendations" very conceivable. Anyway the issue is not NSA issue is the freedoms and protections offered by the country. If NSA doesnt but CIA does, its not any better. You started with the claim that unlike China an US citizen is unlikely to get his/her privacy encroached on quoting all sorts of processes. I just gave examples where these processes didnt do much in preventing breaches of such encroachments. Add to that what we know is just a clouded view into the tip of the iceberg because of provisions of secrecy. If the clouded tip of the iceberg looks the way it does, it is not hard for someone not so deluded, or not so deprived of a full deck, to fill in what the rest of the iceberg could look like.
    - deathgrips 6y ago
      The examples you included do not show that Americans have their rights deprived without legal oversight. The exception is drone striking Americans who are overseas plotting imminent terrorist attacks.
      - srean 6y ago
        That's an arbitrary opinion that you are holding on to. Being a target of warrantless search is not a sign of the land of the free. If you disagree show me the proof of > Americans who are overseas plotting imminent terrorist attacks Show me the oversight over Anwar Awlaki's assasination that went ahead despite the fact that he had never been charged with (let alone convicted of) any crime. Proof of oversight, if you please over the killing of his 16 year old son. I can play the same game that you have been playing in asking nothing less than irrefutable proof that will stand in a public court. Hope you believe in upholding the same standards over yourself that seek in others. If you cannot, then how is it different from other places where such proofs are not forthcoming after killings or incarcerations ?

Don't change goal posts now. I responded to your claim > I'm very sure that you're wrong. Do you have any evidence that the NSA kidnaps and tortures people? that NSA can get people tortured or killed without much difficulty.

deathgrips 6y ago
Do you think the NSA gives the orders on who to kill and who to kidnap?
- srean 6y ago
  "Order" not sure, "recommendations" very conceivable. Anyway the issue is not NSA issue is the freedoms and protections offered by the country. If NSA doesnt but CIA does, its not any better. You started with the claim that unlike China an US citizen is unlikely to get his/her privacy encroached on quoting all sorts of processes. I just gave examples where these processes didnt do much in preventing breaches of such encroachments. Add to that what we know is just a clouded view into the tip of the iceberg because of provisions of secrecy. If the clouded tip of the iceberg looks the way it does, it is not hard for someone not so deluded, or not so deprived of a full deck, to fill in what the rest of the iceberg could look like.
  - deathgrips 6y ago
    The examples you included do not show that Americans have their rights deprived without legal oversight. The exception is drone striking Americans who are overseas plotting imminent terrorist attacks.
    - srean 6y ago
      That's an arbitrary opinion that you are holding on to. Being a target of warrantless search is not a sign of the land of the free. If you disagree show me the proof of > Americans who are overseas plotting imminent terrorist attacks Show me the oversight over Anwar Awlaki's assasination that went ahead despite the fact that he had never been charged with (let alone convicted of) any crime. Proof of oversight, if you please over the killing of his 16 year old son. I can play the same game that you have been playing in asking nothing less than irrefutable proof that will stand in a public court. Hope you believe in upholding the same standards over yourself that seek in others. If you cannot, then how is it different from other places where such proofs are not forthcoming after killings or incarcerations ?