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I never really understood why TikTok is such a threat Except for maybe collecting too much data, but that’s any app, and luckily Apple is taking their measurem

I never really understood why TikTok is such a threat Except for maybe collecting too much data, but that’s any app, and luckily Apple is taking their measurements for certain things

sudosysgen 6y ago
The real threat is that it allows China to get a foothold into the international tech game, and thus allows them to become more powerful in comparison with their adversaries. Which is a legitimate threat to some people, but it's not that much of a threat to the common man.
cblconfederate 6y ago
It s a company the US can easily block without impact in other business. Instead shutting down huawei or other big chinese companies causes major reshuffling
erklik 6y ago
Its the first tech social app i.e. Facebook, MySpace and the like from China, a country that is not America. That is all there is to it. America realizes that China is catching up, and considering there are a billion Chinese, it is inevitable that China will be a foremost power that either competes with or simply overtakes America. The current foremost power, America, doesn't like that. At the very least, this whole thing has made clear that principles that America repeatedly espouses are forgotten quite quickly when it wants to retain power.
- 0xy 6y ago
  Why should principles be given to countries that do not reciprocate? All major American tech companies are banished from China, and the only ones left are ones who agreed to transfer IP to be stolen by the CCP.
  - sudosysgen 6y ago
    The US never had any such principles. Whenever any country competes with American cash-cows, the US "discovers" a reason to ban them. TikTok is not the first one, see what happened with Bombardier for an example closer to home. Or, when Canada was threatening the US superiority in engine tech, after which the US government threatened to embargo Canada from avionics if they proceeded with the Arrow program. They do the same with the Swedish Gripen, they put an embargo on their avionics if Sweden sells them to a country which is also considering the F-35. American tech compamies are banned from China unless they store data on Chinese servers and comply with Chinese law; there is no need to transfer IP. Do you think Google would have transfered Search IP under Project Dragonfly? Do you think Facebook has given their Ad IP?. Why wouldn't the US use the same standard of requiring full compliance with US law as enforced by a liaison and data being on US soil? Because the question isn't of reciprocity, it is of dominance. That's why TikTok was banned under the Joker of "National Security", not under any other standard. The US is simply scared of losing it's advantage in tech to China. Which of course will likely happen anyways. In any case, the average person isn't harmed by TikTok anymore and indeed less so than Facebook.
    - 0xy 6y ago
      >there is no need to transfer IP Provably false. [1] >comply with Chinese law Chinese law requires companies to hand over root access and data, and also effectively forbids E2E encryption. This is IP transfer. [2] >The US is simply scared of losing it's advantage in tech to China The US has several tech companies with market caps more than double Tik Tok. >National Security There's evidence Tik Tok has been promoting CCP propaganda. [3] >the average person isn't harmed by TikTok anymore and indeed less so than Facebook Depends if you trust your data with the same government who regularly disappears journalists, I guess. [1] https://www.wsj.com/articles/forced-tech-transfers-are-on-the-rise-in-china-european-firms-say-11558344240 https://www.wsj.com/articles/forced-tech-transfers-are-on-th... [2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/China_Internet_Security_Law https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/China_Internet_Security_Law [3] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pOlu624glKw https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pOlu624glKw
      - 6y ago
jariel 6y ago
They collect hoards of data, and it's accessible by the CCP. This could be very bad for so many reasons. We need new regs for the new world order.

I never really understood why TikTok is such a threat Except for maybe collecting too much data, but that’s any app, and luckily Apple is taking their measurements for certain things

sudosysgen 6y ago

The real threat is that it allows China to get a foothold into the international tech game, and thus allows them to become more powerful in comparison with their adversaries. Which is a legitimate threat to some people, but it's not that much of a threat to the common man.

cblconfederate 6y ago

It s a company the US can easily block without impact in other business. Instead shutting down huawei or other big chinese companies causes major reshuffling

erklik 6y ago

Its the first tech social app i.e. Facebook, MySpace and the like from China, a country that is not America. That is all there is to it. America realizes that China is catching up, and considering there are a billion Chinese, it is inevitable that China will be a foremost power that either competes with or simply overtakes America. The current foremost power, America, doesn't like that. At the very least, this whole thing has made clear that principles that America repeatedly espouses are forgotten quite quickly when it wants to retain power.

0xy 6y ago
Why should principles be given to countries that do not reciprocate? All major American tech companies are banished from China, and the only ones left are ones who agreed to transfer IP to be stolen by the CCP.
- sudosysgen 6y ago
  The US never had any such principles. Whenever any country competes with American cash-cows, the US "discovers" a reason to ban them. TikTok is not the first one, see what happened with Bombardier for an example closer to home. Or, when Canada was threatening the US superiority in engine tech, after which the US government threatened to embargo Canada from avionics if they proceeded with the Arrow program. They do the same with the Swedish Gripen, they put an embargo on their avionics if Sweden sells them to a country which is also considering the F-35. American tech compamies are banned from China unless they store data on Chinese servers and comply with Chinese law; there is no need to transfer IP. Do you think Google would have transfered Search IP under Project Dragonfly? Do you think Facebook has given their Ad IP?. Why wouldn't the US use the same standard of requiring full compliance with US law as enforced by a liaison and data being on US soil? Because the question isn't of reciprocity, it is of dominance. That's why TikTok was banned under the Joker of "National Security", not under any other standard. The US is simply scared of losing it's advantage in tech to China. Which of course will likely happen anyways. In any case, the average person isn't harmed by TikTok anymore and indeed less so than Facebook.
  - 0xy 6y ago
    >there is no need to transfer IP Provably false. [1] >comply with Chinese law Chinese law requires companies to hand over root access and data, and also effectively forbids E2E encryption. This is IP transfer. [2] >The US is simply scared of losing it's advantage in tech to China The US has several tech companies with market caps more than double Tik Tok. >National Security There's evidence Tik Tok has been promoting CCP propaganda. [3] >the average person isn't harmed by TikTok anymore and indeed less so than Facebook Depends if you trust your data with the same government who regularly disappears journalists, I guess. [1] https://www.wsj.com/articles/forced-tech-transfers-are-on-the-rise-in-china-european-firms-say-11558344240 https://www.wsj.com/articles/forced-tech-transfers-are-on-th... [2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/China_Internet_Security_Law https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/China_Internet_Security_Law [3] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pOlu624glKw https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pOlu624glKw
    - 6y ago

jariel 6y ago

They collect hoards of data, and it's accessible by the CCP. This could be very bad for so many reasons. We need new regs for the new world order.