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Of course we deserve to be OK. Every species* deserves to be OK and every species fights to be OK. We have a lot of work to do to make sure we don't ruin our "h

Of course we deserve to be OK. Every species* deserves to be OK and every species fights to be OK. We have a lot of work to do to make sure we don't ruin our "host," but the fact that we are aware of the problem already--to me--says a lot about our desire to give up some comforts for a greater good. I think as a species we're always just doing the best we think we (collectively) can do at any given time. Some individuals will do better than others, but I think on average we are improving. * except mosquitoes

ARandomerDude 6y ago
> Every species* deserves to be OK Please don't take this is as contrarian trolling, but as a catalyst for reflection: what makes that statement true? What is the foundation for us deserving to be OK?
- Grimm1 6y ago
  What's the foundation for us not deserving to be OK? Equally not trolling. I frankly find the notion of deserving in this case to have very little meaning. Life I don't think has these moral absolutes, can you make it okay for yourself? If so then congrats you get to be okay regardless of somebody's subjective thought on the matter.
- TheAdamAndChe 6y ago
  From an evolutionary perspective, you are technically right. We've evolved to reproduce and to support traits that aid in reproduction. From that perspective, it doesn't matter if we as individuals are okay or not. However, we evolved from social, tribal apes. As an individual, I want to optimize my own happiness and contentness because it feels good. Humans have mirror neurons that cause me to feel the emotions I see in others. Because of that, I have an incentive not only to fight for my own comfort and happiness, but the happiness of others. What's interesting is that our mirror neurons can extend past humans. I have the capacity to feel for other animals. That gives me an incentive to either care for their happiness or never think of them whatsoever.
- antepodius 6y ago
  I want it to be true, therefore it is. There doesn't have to be a 'logical' basis for values. You can just declare them, and go from there, and as long as you don't end up with contradictions you're fine. If you do get to contradictions, then work it out there, whatever.

ARandomerDude 6y ago

> Every species* deserves to be OK Please don't take this is as contrarian trolling, but as a catalyst for reflection: what makes that statement true? What is the foundation for us deserving to be OK?

Grimm1 6y ago
What's the foundation for us not deserving to be OK? Equally not trolling. I frankly find the notion of deserving in this case to have very little meaning. Life I don't think has these moral absolutes, can you make it okay for yourself? If so then congrats you get to be okay regardless of somebody's subjective thought on the matter.
TheAdamAndChe 6y ago
From an evolutionary perspective, you are technically right. We've evolved to reproduce and to support traits that aid in reproduction. From that perspective, it doesn't matter if we as individuals are okay or not. However, we evolved from social, tribal apes. As an individual, I want to optimize my own happiness and contentness because it feels good. Humans have mirror neurons that cause me to feel the emotions I see in others. Because of that, I have an incentive not only to fight for my own comfort and happiness, but the happiness of others. What's interesting is that our mirror neurons can extend past humans. I have the capacity to feel for other animals. That gives me an incentive to either care for their happiness or never think of them whatsoever.
antepodius 6y ago
I want it to be true, therefore it is. There doesn't have to be a 'logical' basis for values. You can just declare them, and go from there, and as long as you don't end up with contradictions you're fine. If you do get to contradictions, then work it out there, whatever.