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100% wrong and no doubt myopic to your own personal and likely limited experiences. a venn diagram of good leader qualities and charismatic qualities has non-t

100% wrong and no doubt myopic to your own personal and likely limited experiences. a venn diagram of good leader qualities and charismatic qualities has non-trivial overlap. A leader lacking people skills has a very limited ceiling in what he/she can affect.

JoeAltmaier 6y ago
Explain the OP then? Almost a perfect experiment in removing charisma from the work equation - everybody works remotely and communicates through a limited channel. And things get better. And perhaps delve into 'charismatic' as it relates to loud, aggressive or overbearing.
- jordache 6y ago
  one can convey charisma through digital/remote channels. Just because the physical connection is gone, it does not mean a robotic / formulaic approach is now the only way to lead/manage humans
  - JoeAltmaier 6y ago
    It reduces the effect. It becomes possible to squelch the loudmouth, take turns talking, hear from everyone. It removes physical intimidation and most body language. Nobody is suggesting 'robotic' or 'formulaic'.
    - xauronx 6y ago
      In my experience the "loudmouth" in-person is the same way on a video call. They always get their two cents in, and are sure to jump in regardless of whether or not another person is patiently waiting their turn.
nblayer 6y ago
Where do these Venn diagrams come from? Some glossy Gartner Group business quadrant presentation? Charisma does one thing: Make other people work for you and let you steal their output and take credit for their successes. The leaders of the successful Asian tech nations don't seem that charismatic, but rather competent and intelligent. The West should take note.
- jordache 6y ago
  rational intuition of what motivates people - You complement the meats of motivation (pay, meaningful work) with a leader that possess strong people skills, charisma, and you have the conditions for a potential best case scenario outcome.
  - bstaunton 6y ago
    Also the potential for the worst case scenario, as many charismatic dictators show. And in two companies I worked at, the minute a charismatic, clueless bureaucrat swaggered in, took over the orgs and started barking orders (in a polite and charismatic fuck-you way), all top developers left, as if by magic.

JoeAltmaier 6y ago

Explain the OP then? Almost a perfect experiment in removing charisma from the work equation - everybody works remotely and communicates through a limited channel. And things get better. And perhaps delve into 'charismatic' as it relates to loud, aggressive or overbearing.

jordache 6y ago
one can convey charisma through digital/remote channels. Just because the physical connection is gone, it does not mean a robotic / formulaic approach is now the only way to lead/manage humans
- JoeAltmaier 6y ago
  It reduces the effect. It becomes possible to squelch the loudmouth, take turns talking, hear from everyone. It removes physical intimidation and most body language. Nobody is suggesting 'robotic' or 'formulaic'.
  - xauronx 6y ago
    In my experience the "loudmouth" in-person is the same way on a video call. They always get their two cents in, and are sure to jump in regardless of whether or not another person is patiently waiting their turn.

nblayer 6y ago

Where do these Venn diagrams come from? Some glossy Gartner Group business quadrant presentation? Charisma does one thing: Make other people work for you and let you steal their output and take credit for their successes. The leaders of the successful Asian tech nations don't seem that charismatic, but rather competent and intelligent. The West should take note.

jordache 6y ago
rational intuition of what motivates people - You complement the meats of motivation (pay, meaningful work) with a leader that possess strong people skills, charisma, and you have the conditions for a potential best case scenario outcome.
- bstaunton 6y ago
  Also the potential for the worst case scenario, as many charismatic dictators show. And in two companies I worked at, the minute a charismatic, clueless bureaucrat swaggered in, took over the orgs and started barking orders (in a polite and charismatic fuck-you way), all top developers left, as if by magic.