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I wonder if Zen 3 will finally let AMD pass Intel in single threaded performance. I thought they had already, but just a few days ago I checked benchmarks and s

• genpfault 6y ago
  > single threaded performance is even still important for games. I'm looking at you, TF2 & PCSX2.
  • AMD_DRIVERS 6y ago
    >TF2 Is Team Fortress 2 really that single-thread bound?
    • formerly_proven 6y ago
      Source 1 does basically everything in one thread and is a ~15 year old D3D9 renderer.
    • Filligree 6y ago
      Does it really matter?
    • belltaco 6y ago
      Maybe they meant Titanfall 2.
• seabrookmx 6y ago
  It only is if you're running low resolution and/or really high refresh rate. Otherwise a top tier GPU is still your limiter.
• StillBored 6y ago
  Its not just games, firefox with ublock+ and a dark mode plugin are noticeably faster on fast single threaded machines.
  • hyperpl 6y ago
    Agreed, it's funny how nearly all discussions about reasons for single threaded perf just focus on games.
  • ziml77 6y ago
    I was going to add "and typical PC tasks" but ended up taking it out because everyone's version of typical on a PC is different.
• Klinky 6y ago
  Yes single threaded perf is still important, but really only if you have top-end GPUs. 8 - 12 threads is where multi-threaded gaming gains seem to wane at bit, which might make sense given last console cycle's architectural optimizations. Once you're at 8 - 12 threads frequency starts becoming more important. Most recent Intel K CPUs can hit 5GHz+. The 10900K is still the best performing gaming CPU out there, and 8086K is still very competitive. Still seems many game engines are optimized for Intel and even with Zen2 having an IPC advantage, it cannot muster high enough frequencies to beat Intel's top gaming CPUs. Maybe Zen3 will change that though, more IPC gains and possibly higher frequencies. If AMD can put out at 5GHz chip, it would probably demolish Intel's current offerings.
  • ziml77 6y ago
    Where do you consider the top-end to start in Nvidia's lineup? I know that gets a bit awkward to answer since we're not far from being able to buy 30xx cards, so probably best to just pretend we don't know about those for this question.
    • Klinky 6y ago
      2080 Super / 2080 Ti. Really seems like you need to be pushing the cutting edge to justify a top-end consumer CPU. If you're spending the money on a 2080 Ti class of card, then you should also be spending money on the best CPU to drive it, though when you're at the top-end the money/performance ratio starts getting significantly more biased towards the money side.
• travisporter 6y ago
  If you're referring to userbenchmark, I think you should be weary. For instance, it shows 0% improvement from a 9700K to a 10700K, and only a 4% improvement from a 7700K https://cpu.userbenchmark.com/Compare/Intel-Core-i7-9700K-vs-Intel-Core-i7-10700K/4030vs4070 https://cpu.userbenchmark.com/Compare/Intel-Core-i7-9700K-vs... https://cpu.userbenchmark.com/Compare/Intel-Core-i7-7700K-vs-Intel-Core-i7-10700K/3647vs4070 https://cpu.userbenchmark.com/Compare/Intel-Core-i7-7700K-vs...
  • ziml77 6y ago
    userbenchmark is garbage. I was checking PassMark's site
    • travisporter 6y ago
      Awesome this is now my new benchmark site. Thx!