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Apple Silicon will contain an Apple-designed GPU, so it might soon be irrelevant for Mac users what AMD has to offer.

hn_check 6y ago
Apple's GPUs achieve "integrated" level performance and it would be a large step for them to achieve AMD or nvidia performance levels. Maybe they can scale it up sufficiently, or put it on a separate die with its own heat dissipation, but that seems like biting off too mcuh. My MBP has the intel integrated graphics, and AMD discrete graphics. I imagine as Apple moves to Apple silicon it will be the same arrangement at tiers that currently have discrete graphics, with the intel integrated just being swapped out for Apple integrated, leveraging the discrete graphics when appropriate.
- sjwright 6y ago
  Given the performance of iPad Pro graphics, I could easily see the Apple GPU being competitive with AMD’s graphics in thermally constrained scenarios.
littlecranky67 6y ago
I highly suspect Apple will still ship (and support) AMD GPUs - maybe for the iMac Pro and Mac Pro. I doubt that Apple Silicon GPUs will be close to the performance to AMD/NVidias flagships. And I assume the market share for iMac/Mac Pro is just not that big for Apple to invest in competing with AMD/Nvidia on the Highend Segment.
- pier25 6y ago
  OTOH Apple also needs dedicated GPUs for some of their MBPs and the bigger iMacs. I think they will end up ditching AMD to have 100% E2E control on all their products.
  - srtjstjsj 6y ago
    Apple's MBP drivers have been broken since 2016 and getting worse, high-frequency locked and thereby thermally throttling the CPU at idle. I don't know if that means Apple Silicon will be better or if they are just incompetent at it.
- sjwright 6y ago
  I can also easily imagine AMD in the Mac Pro, but only as an accelerator rather than to drive displays. (And I’m also predicting Apple will have more FPGA programs ready for the Afterburner card. This accelerator may even be the distinguishing feature of a future iMac Pro.)
- ksec 6y ago
  >And I assume the market share for iMac/Mac Pro is just not that big for Apple to invest in competing with AMD/Nvidia on the Highend Segment. Well it is the same argument for CPU as well. Shipment volume dont make much sense for a Custom CPU in those TDP. But it really seems they are going All in. Custom CPU, GPU and likely NPU on all of their platform.

Apple's GPUs achieve "integrated" level performance and it would be a large step for them to achieve AMD or nvidia performance levels. Maybe they can scale it up sufficiently, or put it on a separate die with its own heat dissipation, but that seems like biting off too mcuh. My MBP has the intel integrated graphics, and AMD discrete graphics. I imagine as Apple moves to Apple silicon it will be the same arrangement at tiers that currently have discrete graphics, with the intel integrated just being swapped out for Apple integrated, leveraging the discrete graphics when appropriate.

sjwright 6y ago
Given the performance of iPad Pro graphics, I could easily see the Apple GPU being competitive with AMD’s graphics in thermally constrained scenarios.

littlecranky67 6y ago

I highly suspect Apple will still ship (and support) AMD GPUs - maybe for the iMac Pro and Mac Pro. I doubt that Apple Silicon GPUs will be close to the performance to AMD/NVidias flagships. And I assume the market share for iMac/Mac Pro is just not that big for Apple to invest in competing with AMD/Nvidia on the Highend Segment.

pier25 6y ago
OTOH Apple also needs dedicated GPUs for some of their MBPs and the bigger iMacs. I think they will end up ditching AMD to have 100% E2E control on all their products.
- srtjstjsj 6y ago
  Apple's MBP drivers have been broken since 2016 and getting worse, high-frequency locked and thereby thermally throttling the CPU at idle. I don't know if that means Apple Silicon will be better or if they are just incompetent at it.
sjwright 6y ago
I can also easily imagine AMD in the Mac Pro, but only as an accelerator rather than to drive displays. (And I’m also predicting Apple will have more FPGA programs ready for the Afterburner card. This accelerator may even be the distinguishing feature of a future iMac Pro.)
ksec 6y ago
>And I assume the market share for iMac/Mac Pro is just not that big for Apple to invest in competing with AMD/Nvidia on the Highend Segment. Well it is the same argument for CPU as well. Shipment volume dont make much sense for a Custom CPU in those TDP. But it really seems they are going All in. Custom CPU, GPU and likely NPU on all of their platform.