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Having 1440p screens would have been great two years ago. The baseline currently is Index with 1700ish vertical pixels, and competitors such as HP and Pimax hav

Having 1440p screens would have been great two years ago. The baseline currently is Index with 1700ish vertical pixels, and competitors such as HP and Pimax have pushed past the "4K" (2160+) pixel mark. Disclaimer: I'm a sim game enthusiast and don't play any titles where the game designer can just change the gameplay mechanics and UI to work on screens with a low PPD.

folli 6y ago
Any sim game recommendations that fit your criteria?
- anilakar 6y ago
  Digital Combat Simulator (DCS World) has some really tiny text on the cockpit dials and screens, and distant targets are often only a few pixels in size. Those 2000+ vertical pixel HMDs I mentioned don't have any issues with cockpit details whereas my older Samsung Odyssey+ required constant use of the zoom button. Furthermore, the performance hit when upgrading to higher resolutions is negligible. Smaller pixel densities require heavy supersampling to look good whereas higher density displays can be run at or near their native resolution.
  - quit32 6y ago
    DCS is so cool. I feel like I need to quit my job / be single again in order to learn it though. I got the rift in order to play it only to realize that learning DCS from the ground up requires a lot of keyboard input / referencing cheat sheets so need to be pretty proficient with it before you can't see your hands and as you mentioned the resolution is not quite good enough in rift to really see things with much detail though it is still a fun experience to try out. Looking forward to playing it on a future headset.
farias0 6y ago
It's an open source project, you can modify it however you want
TulliusCicero 6y ago
The website makes it clear you can swap out for other panels.
taneq 6y ago
Exactly. The original Rift and Vive were 1440x1440 (iirc) and the Vive Pro, Valve Index and most WMR headsets are 1440x1600.
metalliqaz 6y ago
> Disclaimer: I'm a sim game enthusiast and don't play any titles where the game designer can just change the gameplay mechanics and UI to work on screens with a low PPD. I'm sorry but that sounds like pure snobbery. With the same PC running the game, and only changing the display, any game can be adapted to anything by changing gameplay mechanics and UI.
- anilakar 6y ago
  Then it's no longer a systems-level simulation but an arcade game with a sim-like physics. However, you are correct in the sense that most racing and flight sim folks tend to be entitled snobs who have spare money to throw around. Many have spent money on a RTX2080 Ti card when the non-titan edition could not run games in VR at high enough frame rates. Most are going to be upgrading to a 3080 as soon as it comes out this fall.
  - nebulous1 6y ago
    > Then it's no longer a systems-level simulation but an arcade game with a sim-like physics. How are you defining a "systems-level simulation" in a way that it would no longer be one if run at a different PPD? I feel like there's something I'm missing here.
  - Sohcahtoa82 6y ago
    > Most are going to be upgrading to a 3080 as soon as it comes out this fall. You mean in a week? Looking forward to replacing my GTX 1070. Such an underpowered card to sit next to my i9-9900K and 32 GB of RAM.

folli 6y ago

Any sim game recommendations that fit your criteria?

anilakar 6y ago
Digital Combat Simulator (DCS World) has some really tiny text on the cockpit dials and screens, and distant targets are often only a few pixels in size. Those 2000+ vertical pixel HMDs I mentioned don't have any issues with cockpit details whereas my older Samsung Odyssey+ required constant use of the zoom button. Furthermore, the performance hit when upgrading to higher resolutions is negligible. Smaller pixel densities require heavy supersampling to look good whereas higher density displays can be run at or near their native resolution.
- quit32 6y ago
  DCS is so cool. I feel like I need to quit my job / be single again in order to learn it though. I got the rift in order to play it only to realize that learning DCS from the ground up requires a lot of keyboard input / referencing cheat sheets so need to be pretty proficient with it before you can't see your hands and as you mentioned the resolution is not quite good enough in rift to really see things with much detail though it is still a fun experience to try out. Looking forward to playing it on a future headset.

farias0 6y ago

It's an open source project, you can modify it however you want

TulliusCicero 6y ago

The website makes it clear you can swap out for other panels.

taneq 6y ago

Exactly. The original Rift and Vive were 1440x1440 (iirc) and the Vive Pro, Valve Index and most WMR headsets are 1440x1600.

metalliqaz 6y ago

> Disclaimer: I'm a sim game enthusiast and don't play any titles where the game designer can just change the gameplay mechanics and UI to work on screens with a low PPD. I'm sorry but that sounds like pure snobbery. With the same PC running the game, and only changing the display, any game can be adapted to anything by changing gameplay mechanics and UI.

anilakar 6y ago
Then it's no longer a systems-level simulation but an arcade game with a sim-like physics. However, you are correct in the sense that most racing and flight sim folks tend to be entitled snobs who have spare money to throw around. Many have spent money on a RTX2080 Ti card when the non-titan edition could not run games in VR at high enough frame rates. Most are going to be upgrading to a 3080 as soon as it comes out this fall.
- nebulous1 6y ago
  > Then it's no longer a systems-level simulation but an arcade game with a sim-like physics. How are you defining a "systems-level simulation" in a way that it would no longer be one if run at a different PPD? I feel like there's something I'm missing here.
- Sohcahtoa82 6y ago
  > Most are going to be upgrading to a 3080 as soon as it comes out this fall. You mean in a week? Looking forward to replacing my GTX 1070. Such an underpowered card to sit next to my i9-9900K and 32 GB of RAM.