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> Maybe when we (re)create our own electronics industry. It works the other way around. We cannot have an European industry meanwhile USA government backed-up

> Maybe when we (re)create our own electronics industry. It works the other way around. We cannot have an European industry meanwhile USA government backed-up companies are competing with our startups. > collection of small countries Europe is bigger than the USA. And the division within the USA is as big or bigger than Europe. And, we cannot talk about China.

pmontra 6y ago
> Europe is bigger than the USA. OK, on some metrics. But I think nobody questions which country is still leading the world. > And the division within the USA is as big or bigger than Europe. And, we cannot talk about China. I don't agree with this or we're talking about different things. The grip of Washington DC on the states of the USA is much stronger than Brussels' on the countries of the EU. The degree of sovereignty is very different. No matter the internal divisions inside the USA, first of all there is one USA. On the other side of the ocean first of all there are multiple competing EU countries, each of them trying to exploit the others and the EU and with different economics and foreign policy goals. About that, do (random picks among large states) California, Texas and New York have a foreign policy worth talking about?
- Dahoon 6y ago
  You make it sound very benign and positive; "leading the world". In actuality it is more often than not bullying, forcing, coercing, buying. You can of course call that leading the world but really it is leading in the same way wolfpacks are leading their pray. There's no doubt that leading -when meant in a positive way- the US is not in any way a leader or near the top. Being number one in say use of military force around the world, most incarcerated, worst foreign aid by any western country (tied to the defence industry), etc. isn't something anyone else is striving for. So yes, the US might be "a leader", but so was Saddam Hussein and Pol Pot, and yes it migh be able to bully others to do what it want, but it is in no positive way a leader of the world. So in short, yes many many people is most definitely questioning that the US is a world leader.
LargoLasskhyfv 6y ago
At least Airbus worked (somewhat). So there is that.

pmontra 6y ago

> Europe is bigger than the USA. OK, on some metrics. But I think nobody questions which country is still leading the world. > And the division within the USA is as big or bigger than Europe. And, we cannot talk about China. I don't agree with this or we're talking about different things. The grip of Washington DC on the states of the USA is much stronger than Brussels' on the countries of the EU. The degree of sovereignty is very different. No matter the internal divisions inside the USA, first of all there is one USA. On the other side of the ocean first of all there are multiple competing EU countries, each of them trying to exploit the others and the EU and with different economics and foreign policy goals. About that, do (random picks among large states) California, Texas and New York have a foreign policy worth talking about?

Dahoon 6y ago
You make it sound very benign and positive; "leading the world". In actuality it is more often than not bullying, forcing, coercing, buying. You can of course call that leading the world but really it is leading in the same way wolfpacks are leading their pray. There's no doubt that leading -when meant in a positive way- the US is not in any way a leader or near the top. Being number one in say use of military force around the world, most incarcerated, worst foreign aid by any western country (tied to the defence industry), etc. isn't something anyone else is striving for. So yes, the US might be "a leader", but so was Saddam Hussein and Pol Pot, and yes it migh be able to bully others to do what it want, but it is in no positive way a leader of the world. So in short, yes many many people is most definitely questioning that the US is a world leader.

LargoLasskhyfv 6y ago

At least Airbus worked (somewhat). So there is that.