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Parent comment is talking about self hosting “Google Docs, S3, Dropbox, GitHub, Slack“. Running all those things (and more) instead of focusing on your core bus

Parent comment is talking about self hosting “Google Docs, S3, Dropbox, GitHub, Slack“. Running all those things (and more) instead of focusing on your core business is probably a mistake for most companies.

fluffything 6y ago
Ah, gotcha, agree that makes no sense. We only self-host gitlab and zulip.
PeterStuer 6y ago
You could still host it in a country with a less bad track record of industrial espionage.
- hulitu 6y ago
  > You could still host it in a country with a less bad track record of industrial espionage. Good luck finding one. The world is divided in 3 spheres of influence: US, China and Russia. To make business you must obey one of them.
  - marcusjt 6y ago
    Plus the EU, surely?
    - webmaven 6y ago
      > Plus the EU, surely? For most practical purposes, the EU is nested within the US sphere of influence.
    - rat9988 6y ago
      US sphere of influence.
f1refly 6y ago
I don't think so. The company I work for is really focused on digital independence. Their core business is industrial electronic component design. The whole supporting office runs on libreoffice, thunderbird, mattermost and nextcloud, all hosted on company premise. They employ two full-time admins, one for the windows clients, the other one for the linux clients (which one can ask for) and servers. This whole setup is, according to them, surprisingly easy to manage and maintain, you just have to find a boss who's willing to try it. Maybe it's different when you're a software shop and really need s3 or something
- znpy 6y ago
  Indeed. As long as you have decent hardware (cpu/ram mostly) and reliable storage (netapp or something similar) you can get stuff done very easily. Also, most people seems to not have noticed how fast computers and disks got recently and how resources you can pack into a single physical machine: you can nowadays fill a 2u, 2socket machine with 128c/256t (2x amd epyc) and literally terabytes of ram...
pilsetnieks 6y ago
Parent comment is also talking about small companies. Below a certain size all those things (well, equivalent services, not those exactly) don't need more than a single server which is fairly painless. When you grow to a size where you need it at scale, that's where the pain starts.

fluffything 6y ago

Ah, gotcha, agree that makes no sense. We only self-host gitlab and zulip.

PeterStuer 6y ago

You could still host it in a country with a less bad track record of industrial espionage.

hulitu 6y ago
> You could still host it in a country with a less bad track record of industrial espionage. Good luck finding one. The world is divided in 3 spheres of influence: US, China and Russia. To make business you must obey one of them.
- marcusjt 6y ago
  Plus the EU, surely?
  - webmaven 6y ago
    > Plus the EU, surely? For most practical purposes, the EU is nested within the US sphere of influence.
  - rat9988 6y ago
    US sphere of influence.

f1refly 6y ago

I don't think so. The company I work for is really focused on digital independence. Their core business is industrial electronic component design. The whole supporting office runs on libreoffice, thunderbird, mattermost and nextcloud, all hosted on company premise. They employ two full-time admins, one for the windows clients, the other one for the linux clients (which one can ask for) and servers. This whole setup is, according to them, surprisingly easy to manage and maintain, you just have to find a boss who's willing to try it. Maybe it's different when you're a software shop and really need s3 or something

znpy 6y ago
Indeed. As long as you have decent hardware (cpu/ram mostly) and reliable storage (netapp or something similar) you can get stuff done very easily. Also, most people seems to not have noticed how fast computers and disks got recently and how resources you can pack into a single physical machine: you can nowadays fill a 2u, 2socket machine with 128c/256t (2x amd epyc) and literally terabytes of ram...

pilsetnieks 6y ago

Parent comment is also talking about small companies. Below a certain size all those things (well, equivalent services, not those exactly) don't need more than a single server which is fairly painless. When you grow to a size where you need it at scale, that's where the pain starts.