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>Your data will stay in Germany unless you specifically decide to move it elsewhere. Prove it

fluffything 6y ago
Also, what happens if you find a leak? Or that it has been moved somewhere else? They say "We are sorry", give you some free credit, and that's it ?
- jacobush 6y ago
  No, that won't happen. "Sorry not sorry" and no credit.
GrimRe 6y ago
Why don't I prove the earth isn't flat while I'm at it? Oh wait, I can't. I guess you win. Clearly my inability to prove the earth isn't flat means that it is flat. See how ridiculous you sound? You think that 25,000+ employees that work at AWS have somehow been silenced into some grand conspiracy? The underlying architecture of an AWS Region is fundamentally designed to keep data in the Region you specify. There is no physical way for it to move between Regions without you specifically logging in and telling it do so. Not only that its extremely expensive to move that data around. You pay for this in Region to Region transfer costs. Believe me AWS would not want this happening for free. That brings me to my other point: AWS don't give a flying fuck about your your boring corporate data either by the way. What they really want is to replace your old expensive insecure data centre hosting shitware like SAP. If you think AWS are secretly peering into your data to make the Amazon global cabal more powerful then you may as well unplug your datacenter and go back to the Stone Age. It'd be FAR easier for AWS to simply exploit some security vulnerabilities is your decades old, half-baked piecemeal built datacenter and syphon intelligence that way than it would be to try and attack their own cloud services.
- reallydontask 6y ago
  > You think that 25,000+ employees that work at AWS have somehow been silenced into some grand conspiracy? You seem to suggest that every single employee that works at AWS is aware of everything that goes on with the company. Isn't just possible that despite of what we know about the architecture, this might not be the whole truth and concerns about involuntary inter region transfers might just be warranted?
- PeterStuer 6y ago
  The arrangements brought to light through amongst others the Snowdon files did involve extremely few people at huge companies. We are talking a literal hand full, not '25.000'. Are you really suggesting there are no three letter acronym operators embedded into the large US tech companies? Modern US systemic tech industrial espionage was brought to light as far back as Echelon. so deriding people who are cautious about it as 'flat earthers' seems disingenuous.
- CyanBird 6y ago
  Your innocence is quite charming, specially in a post-snowden world
msh 6y ago
How do you prove that a german company does not have secret data sharing agreements? Think cryptoAG.
- throwaway2048 6y ago
  I think its much more likely that an American company with a former NSA head as a board member is much more likely to have an agreement like that, personally.

Also, what happens if you find a leak? Or that it has been moved somewhere else? They say "We are sorry", give you some free credit, and that's it ?

jacobush 6y ago
No, that won't happen. "Sorry not sorry" and no credit.

GrimRe 6y ago

Why don't I prove the earth isn't flat while I'm at it? Oh wait, I can't. I guess you win. Clearly my inability to prove the earth isn't flat means that it is flat. See how ridiculous you sound? You think that 25,000+ employees that work at AWS have somehow been silenced into some grand conspiracy? The underlying architecture of an AWS Region is fundamentally designed to keep data in the Region you specify. There is no physical way for it to move between Regions without you specifically logging in and telling it do so. Not only that its extremely expensive to move that data around. You pay for this in Region to Region transfer costs. Believe me AWS would not want this happening for free. That brings me to my other point: AWS don't give a flying fuck about your your boring corporate data either by the way. What they really want is to replace your old expensive insecure data centre hosting shitware like SAP. If you think AWS are secretly peering into your data to make the Amazon global cabal more powerful then you may as well unplug your datacenter and go back to the Stone Age. It'd be FAR easier for AWS to simply exploit some security vulnerabilities is your decades old, half-baked piecemeal built datacenter and syphon intelligence that way than it would be to try and attack their own cloud services.

reallydontask 6y ago
> You think that 25,000+ employees that work at AWS have somehow been silenced into some grand conspiracy? You seem to suggest that every single employee that works at AWS is aware of everything that goes on with the company. Isn't just possible that despite of what we know about the architecture, this might not be the whole truth and concerns about involuntary inter region transfers might just be warranted?
PeterStuer 6y ago
The arrangements brought to light through amongst others the Snowdon files did involve extremely few people at huge companies. We are talking a literal hand full, not '25.000'. Are you really suggesting there are no three letter acronym operators embedded into the large US tech companies? Modern US systemic tech industrial espionage was brought to light as far back as Echelon. so deriding people who are cautious about it as 'flat earthers' seems disingenuous.
CyanBird 6y ago
Your innocence is quite charming, specially in a post-snowden world

msh 6y ago

How do you prove that a german company does not have secret data sharing agreements? Think cryptoAG.

throwaway2048 6y ago
I think its much more likely that an American company with a former NSA head as a board member is much more likely to have an agreement like that, personally.