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This seems like an impossible task unless you have a European Facebook and a US Facebook and a user of one can’t interact with the other. If a US-based user in

by fjni 6y ago

This seems like an impossible task unless you have a European Facebook and a US Facebook and a user of one can’t interact with the other. If a US-based user interacts with data posted by the European user, is that not considered “Sending data to the US?”

PeterStuer 6y ago
An analogy: it is not because I occasionally send and receive email to and from US citizens that my mail provider needs to send my complete mailbox, user credentials, profile and interaction data to the US.
- dwild 6y ago
  Sure but the interactions aren't occasional over Facebook, they are pretty regular, in fact it's the whole concept of the platform to constantly share that data to your friend group. Sure it could be only accessed when you friend request it, but then it goes over a whole lot of performance issue and complex infrastructure, all that over something you voluntarily decided to publish... while not having any advantage. Facebook still has access to that data either way. You still have to believe their pinky sweare they won't do anything bad with it. I would agree with anything sensitive, like banks information, medical information, etc... Things that make sense to pay for an actual regular audit, but for a social network like Facebook... that become completely absurd.
  - PeterStuer 6y ago
    There is a clear distinction between data I share publicly, data I share explicitly with US Facebook users, and data that I share in a limited setting not involving any US users. Unless caught red handed, we generally trust companies to comply, but sometimes verify. The technical argument, that it is too inconvenient to comply with the regulation. has little merit in this case.
    - jeffffff 6y ago
      "There is a clear distinction between data I share publicly, data I share explicitly with US Facebook users, and data that I share in a limited setting not involving any US users." can you cite where the european laws and/or relevant rulings make this distinction?
    - dwild 6y ago
      > There is a clear distinction between data I share publicly, data I share explicitly with US Facebook users, and data that I share in a limited setting not involving any US users. You lost me there. You shared it with Facebook users, which are worldwide. Are you from Canada? Well look at you reading my comment I voluntarily pushed over HN, a website accessible worldwide while I'm Canadian. Isn't it absurd that because I'm in Canada I wouldn't expect you to be able to read it? You and everyone else that are on HN? This is not something I send specifically to YOU, this is not something > Unless caught red handed, we generally trust companies to comply, but sometimes verify. Isn't it what we complains about here though? We do not expect Facebook US to handle the data correctly. Yet they do expect them to do it in Europe? I can see your point, Europe can't verify what Facebook do in the US. It's a good point, but I would have been less against their idea if that was the solution, requiring them to allow Europe to verify or else they wouldn't let them hold that data.

by fjni 6y ago

PeterStuer 6y ago

An analogy: it is not because I occasionally send and receive email to and from US citizens that my mail provider needs to send my complete mailbox, user credentials, profile and interaction data to the US.

dwild 6y ago
Sure but the interactions aren't occasional over Facebook, they are pretty regular, in fact it's the whole concept of the platform to constantly share that data to your friend group. Sure it could be only accessed when you friend request it, but then it goes over a whole lot of performance issue and complex infrastructure, all that over something you voluntarily decided to publish... while not having any advantage. Facebook still has access to that data either way. You still have to believe their pinky sweare they won't do anything bad with it. I would agree with anything sensitive, like banks information, medical information, etc... Things that make sense to pay for an actual regular audit, but for a social network like Facebook... that become completely absurd.
- PeterStuer 6y ago
  There is a clear distinction between data I share publicly, data I share explicitly with US Facebook users, and data that I share in a limited setting not involving any US users. Unless caught red handed, we generally trust companies to comply, but sometimes verify. The technical argument, that it is too inconvenient to comply with the regulation. has little merit in this case.
  - jeffffff 6y ago
    "There is a clear distinction between data I share publicly, data I share explicitly with US Facebook users, and data that I share in a limited setting not involving any US users." can you cite where the european laws and/or relevant rulings make this distinction?
  - dwild 6y ago
    > There is a clear distinction between data I share publicly, data I share explicitly with US Facebook users, and data that I share in a limited setting not involving any US users. You lost me there. You shared it with Facebook users, which are worldwide. Are you from Canada? Well look at you reading my comment I voluntarily pushed over HN, a website accessible worldwide while I'm Canadian. Isn't it absurd that because I'm in Canada I wouldn't expect you to be able to read it? You and everyone else that are on HN? This is not something I send specifically to YOU, this is not something > Unless caught red handed, we generally trust companies to comply, but sometimes verify. Isn't it what we complains about here though? We do not expect Facebook US to handle the data correctly. Yet they do expect them to do it in Europe? I can see your point, Europe can't verify what Facebook do in the US. It's a good point, but I would have been less against their idea if that was the solution, requiring them to allow Europe to verify or else they wouldn't let them hold that data.