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Agreed. I’ve switched to eating mostly vegan because most meat I used to eat was sort of just filler. If I go out somewhere and they specialize in something mea

Agreed. I’ve switched to eating mostly vegan because most meat I used to eat was sort of just filler. If I go out somewhere and they specialize in something meat related and I know it’s going to be amazing, then I’ll get it. Eating lots of heavily processed chicken, cow and pigs just isn’t worth the many costs to environment, animal wellbeing, and potentially personal nutrition. I recommend everyone to consciously lower their meat intake. It doesn’t need to be forever or for every meal.

ddorian43 6y ago
Where do you get enough protein to maintain muscle integrity ?
- drenvuk 6y ago
  I'm not a vegan but beans and rice go a long way.
  - jschwartzi 6y ago
    Beans also have tons of fiber. You can easily get 20 grams of mostly soluble fiber from a bowl of beans.
- tashoecraft 6y ago
  It’s generally a myth that vegans don’t get enough protein. There are tons of vegan based proteins and Americans are obsessed with maximizing protein intake where you really don’t need to. There’s plenty of vegan athletes and weight lifters. If they don’t have issues as an elite athlete I doubt the average person will have an issue.
- pseudoramble 6y ago
  I have been eating similarly to the parent poster recently (trying to avoid meat and dairy as much as possible). The three major sources of protein I use now are black beans, kidney beans, peanut butter, and tofu. I also sometimes eat tempeh which can be good in the right contexts. It takes some effort, but it's fairly straightforward if you can find ways to substitute it into your daily meals. I like taking an existing meal and just replacing the animal products from it. One example I like is a chicken curry wrap. It's just chicken mixed with mayo, curry powder, celery and onions, all stuffed into a wrap. I've substituted a lightly fried tofu in place of the chicken and a vegan mayo instead.
- xnx 6y ago
  Vegan for 20+ years (now 40). I've never had any protein deficiency or any other nutrition related health problems. I weight lift so I take a scoop or 2 of brown rice/pea/soy protein which gets me to what any muscle gain diet guidelines recommend.
cauthon 6y ago
Don’t the impossible/beyond meats still have a higher environmental impact than poultry?
- Forbo 6y ago
  I can't seem to find any information about this, do you have a source?
  - grandmczeb 6y ago
    At least for CO2 emissions it looks like they're roughly on par with each other. Impossible Foods claims a 3.5 kg CO2-eqv. per kg product[1]. For chicken meat, the emissions depend a lot on how and where they're raised, but according to this UN report[2] it's roughly 2.7-8 with an average of ~5.4. It's a bit lower for eggs at 2-5 with an average of ~3.7. EDIT: This study[3] has a more detailed breakdown which roughly matches the numbers from the UN report. For meat: 2.3-12, average 5.7, median 4.3. For eggs: 2.6-7.6, average 4.2, median 3.8 [1] https://impossiblefoods.com/mission/lca-update-2019/ https://impossiblefoods.com/mission/lca-update-2019/ [2] http://www.fao.org/3/i3460e/i3460e.pdf http://www.fao.org/3/i3460e/i3460e.pdf [3] https://science.sciencemag.org/content/360/6392/987 https://science.sciencemag.org/content/360/6392/987

ddorian43 6y ago

Where do you get enough protein to maintain muscle integrity ?

drenvuk 6y ago
I'm not a vegan but beans and rice go a long way.
- jschwartzi 6y ago
  Beans also have tons of fiber. You can easily get 20 grams of mostly soluble fiber from a bowl of beans.
tashoecraft 6y ago
It’s generally a myth that vegans don’t get enough protein. There are tons of vegan based proteins and Americans are obsessed with maximizing protein intake where you really don’t need to. There’s plenty of vegan athletes and weight lifters. If they don’t have issues as an elite athlete I doubt the average person will have an issue.
pseudoramble 6y ago
I have been eating similarly to the parent poster recently (trying to avoid meat and dairy as much as possible). The three major sources of protein I use now are black beans, kidney beans, peanut butter, and tofu. I also sometimes eat tempeh which can be good in the right contexts. It takes some effort, but it's fairly straightforward if you can find ways to substitute it into your daily meals. I like taking an existing meal and just replacing the animal products from it. One example I like is a chicken curry wrap. It's just chicken mixed with mayo, curry powder, celery and onions, all stuffed into a wrap. I've substituted a lightly fried tofu in place of the chicken and a vegan mayo instead.
xnx 6y ago
Vegan for 20+ years (now 40). I've never had any protein deficiency or any other nutrition related health problems. I weight lift so I take a scoop or 2 of brown rice/pea/soy protein which gets me to what any muscle gain diet guidelines recommend.

cauthon 6y ago

Don’t the impossible/beyond meats still have a higher environmental impact than poultry?

Forbo 6y ago
I can't seem to find any information about this, do you have a source?
- grandmczeb 6y ago
  At least for CO2 emissions it looks like they're roughly on par with each other. Impossible Foods claims a 3.5 kg CO2-eqv. per kg product[1]. For chicken meat, the emissions depend a lot on how and where they're raised, but according to this UN report[2] it's roughly 2.7-8 with an average of ~5.4. It's a bit lower for eggs at 2-5 with an average of ~3.7. EDIT: This study[3] has a more detailed breakdown which roughly matches the numbers from the UN report. For meat: 2.3-12, average 5.7, median 4.3. For eggs: 2.6-7.6, average 4.2, median 3.8 [1] https://impossiblefoods.com/mission/lca-update-2019/ https://impossiblefoods.com/mission/lca-update-2019/ [2] http://www.fao.org/3/i3460e/i3460e.pdf http://www.fao.org/3/i3460e/i3460e.pdf [3] https://science.sciencemag.org/content/360/6392/987 https://science.sciencemag.org/content/360/6392/987