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I imagine meat alternatives will really take off once they are cheaper than meat. There seems to be a lot of potential for cost savings if you don't need to rai

by dtwest 6y ago

I imagine meat alternatives will really take off once they are cheaper than meat. There seems to be a lot of potential for cost savings if you don't need to raise a large animal to create the product. So far I haven't seen much of a cost advantage to meatless products, but perhaps with more funding this would be achievable. While I don't thing Impossible tastes better or even as good as the real thing, it isn't too far off. Having a price advantage would tip the scale for many people, especially in the fast food space.

jedberg 6y ago
Impossible should lobby for a carbon tax, which would skyrocket the price of meat, making their option more affordable.
- moltar 6y ago
  Impossible meat production doesn’t use carbon?
  - Forbo 6y ago
    Far less than beef: https://impossiblefoods.com/mission/lca-update-2019/ https://impossiblefoods.com/mission/lca-update-2019/
- grandmczeb 6y ago
  Just to put some numbers on it, the UN has a report that puts the total average carbon emissions of beef production between 14 to 76 kg CO2 equivalent per kg of final product, depending on the region the cattle was raised in[1]. The 2019 RWCC act proposed a tax of $40/metric ton of CO2 equivalent[2]. That corresponds to a price increase of $0.56-3.04/kg or $1.20-6.70/lbs of beef. Right now, the grocery store by me has 100% ground beef at $4/lbs, so it would be an increase of 30%-167%. If we use the US specific emission numbers, it's a ~65% increase for a total of $6.64/lbs. For reference, Impossible's "burger brick" is about $8/lbs[3]. Of course, ranchers would likely adopt more efficient practices if an actual carbon tax was passed so this is probably an upper limit of the price increase in practice. [1] http://www.fao.org/3/i3461e/i3461e.pdf http://www.fao.org/3/i3461e/i3461e.pdf [2] https://www.fcnl.org/documents/1066 https://www.fcnl.org/documents/1066 [3] https://impossiblefoods.com/directpricelist/ https://impossiblefoods.com/directpricelist/
fomine3 6y ago
We should distinguish between beef and pork/chickens from meat.

by dtwest 6y ago

jedberg 6y ago

Impossible should lobby for a carbon tax, which would skyrocket the price of meat, making their option more affordable.

moltar 6y ago
Impossible meat production doesn’t use carbon?
- Forbo 6y ago
  Far less than beef: https://impossiblefoods.com/mission/lca-update-2019/ https://impossiblefoods.com/mission/lca-update-2019/
grandmczeb 6y ago
Just to put some numbers on it, the UN has a report that puts the total average carbon emissions of beef production between 14 to 76 kg CO2 equivalent per kg of final product, depending on the region the cattle was raised in[1]. The 2019 RWCC act proposed a tax of $40/metric ton of CO2 equivalent[2]. That corresponds to a price increase of $0.56-3.04/kg or $1.20-6.70/lbs of beef. Right now, the grocery store by me has 100% ground beef at $4/lbs, so it would be an increase of 30%-167%. If we use the US specific emission numbers, it's a ~65% increase for a total of $6.64/lbs. For reference, Impossible's "burger brick" is about $8/lbs[3]. Of course, ranchers would likely adopt more efficient practices if an actual carbon tax was passed so this is probably an upper limit of the price increase in practice. [1] http://www.fao.org/3/i3461e/i3461e.pdf http://www.fao.org/3/i3461e/i3461e.pdf [2] https://www.fcnl.org/documents/1066 https://www.fcnl.org/documents/1066 [3] https://impossiblefoods.com/directpricelist/ https://impossiblefoods.com/directpricelist/

fomine3 6y ago

We should distinguish between beef and pork/chickens from meat.