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From my understanding, the sole reason that many sports are sex-segregated is because women can’t compete at men’s levels in those sports. Why else have a male

From my understanding, the sole reason that many sports are sex-segregated is because women can’t compete at men’s levels in those sports. Why else have a male soccer and female soccer (other than historical reasons that could, nowadays, be abolished)? Female-only sports exist to favor women. Parasports exist for a similar reason. If you can’t prove to be part of either group, one would just have to take your word for it. If a random guy said “I’m a woman,” would that have to be enough?

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dmitrygr 6y ago
> If a random guy said “I’m a woman,” would that have to be enough? yes: https://abcnews.go.com/US/transgender-teens-outrun-track-field-competitors-critics-close/story?id=55856294 https://abcnews.go.com/US/transgender-teens-outrun-track-fie...
- wolco 6y ago
  Wow did not realize these open gender policies have resulted in such outcomes. I guess the only option is to remove men/womens altogether and have them complete against all sexes. Another option is to have a separate category for them or many seperate categories.
  - axaxs 6y ago
    I think generally all competing against all is the logical conclusion to this mess. Biological males competing against females isn't fair, nor are biological females on male hormones. Making a trans category could be seen as insulting/outing, I think, and probably wouldn't have many competitors. So outside of examining and testing every single person, seems easier to just have them all compete together. Have weight classes where it makes sense to.
    - leephillips 6y ago
      That would mean the end of competitive sports for women. For many women and girl athletes, it would mean the end of their ambitions, the canceling of a lifetime of rigorous training and hope. Just so a few men who can’t compete against other men can bring home trophies.
      - axaxs 6y ago
        Everyone wants equality until it affects them negatively then, it seems. Being a smartass aside, I don't think it will be the end of competitive sports for women. I think we'll see new sports emerge, which would be pretty interesting.
        throwaway189262 6y ago
        There's essentially no sports where women can compete on the same level as men. The differences go beyond strength. For a man and woman the same weight: Men have stronger bones, much higher oxygen capacity, faster reaction time, better motion tracking, higher fatigue tolerance, better aerobic endurance, higher pain threshold. An interesting development would be co-ed professional sports with teams that have a fixed number of men and women. I think this is the best we could hope for as far as equality in sports
        axaxs 6y ago
        But you end up back in the same position. You have a 5 person team requirement, 3 men and 2 women. Where do you put trans?
        slater 6y ago
        In the gender that the transitioning person identifies with.
        silly-silly 6y ago
        It absolutely would 'end' current competitive sports for women. This would be the equivalent of ditching your current paying customers for maybe potential future even-smaller-segment customers.
bsder 6y ago
> If a random guy said “I’m a woman,” would that have to be enough? The whole point of the "testosterone level below 10 nmol/L" was to provide a solid line on this so that the answer would be "yes, with caveats". 10 nmol/L of testosterone is right at the lowest level for a male and is WAY higher than normal for a female. Quoting an article about the IAAF study (https://sportsscientists.com/2017/07/testosterone-performance-intersex-athletes-will-iaaf-evidence-enough/ https://sportsscientists.com/2017/07/testosterone-performanc...): > Among the 1332 females, 24 had T levels above 3.08 nmol/L (remember this is the 99th percentile in a previous study). Of the 24, nine were diagnosed as having a DSD. Nine were found to have been doping, and six were “impossible to classify” Translate "impossible to classify" as "doping, but we can't prove it so we'll get sued if we say it."

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dmitrygr 6y ago

> If a random guy said “I’m a woman,” would that have to be enough? yes: https://abcnews.go.com/US/transgender-teens-outrun-track-field-competitors-critics-close/story?id=55856294 https://abcnews.go.com/US/transgender-teens-outrun-track-fie...

wolco 6y ago
Wow did not realize these open gender policies have resulted in such outcomes. I guess the only option is to remove men/womens altogether and have them complete against all sexes. Another option is to have a separate category for them or many seperate categories.
- axaxs 6y ago
  I think generally all competing against all is the logical conclusion to this mess. Biological males competing against females isn't fair, nor are biological females on male hormones. Making a trans category could be seen as insulting/outing, I think, and probably wouldn't have many competitors. So outside of examining and testing every single person, seems easier to just have them all compete together. Have weight classes where it makes sense to.
  - leephillips 6y ago
    That would mean the end of competitive sports for women. For many women and girl athletes, it would mean the end of their ambitions, the canceling of a lifetime of rigorous training and hope. Just so a few men who can’t compete against other men can bring home trophies.
    - axaxs 6y ago
      Everyone wants equality until it affects them negatively then, it seems. Being a smartass aside, I don't think it will be the end of competitive sports for women. I think we'll see new sports emerge, which would be pretty interesting.
      - throwaway189262 6y ago
        There's essentially no sports where women can compete on the same level as men. The differences go beyond strength. For a man and woman the same weight: Men have stronger bones, much higher oxygen capacity, faster reaction time, better motion tracking, higher fatigue tolerance, better aerobic endurance, higher pain threshold. An interesting development would be co-ed professional sports with teams that have a fixed number of men and women. I think this is the best we could hope for as far as equality in sports
        axaxs 6y ago
        But you end up back in the same position. You have a 5 person team requirement, 3 men and 2 women. Where do you put trans?
        slater 6y ago
        In the gender that the transitioning person identifies with.
      - silly-silly 6y ago
        It absolutely would 'end' current competitive sports for women. This would be the equivalent of ditching your current paying customers for maybe potential future even-smaller-segment customers.

bsder 6y ago

> If a random guy said “I’m a woman,” would that have to be enough? The whole point of the "testosterone level below 10 nmol/L" was to provide a solid line on this so that the answer would be "yes, with caveats". 10 nmol/L of testosterone is right at the lowest level for a male and is WAY higher than normal for a female. Quoting an article about the IAAF study (https://sportsscientists.com/2017/07/testosterone-performance-intersex-athletes-will-iaaf-evidence-enough/ https://sportsscientists.com/2017/07/testosterone-performanc...): > Among the 1332 females, 24 had T levels above 3.08 nmol/L (remember this is the 99th percentile in a previous study). Of the 24, nine were diagnosed as having a DSD. Nine were found to have been doping, and six were “impossible to classify” Translate "impossible to classify" as "doping, but we can't prove it so we'll get sued if we say it."