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In 2011-2012, when 4G started becoming mainstream, did you make similar claims? For example, did you say something in the lines of “why would I want to watch vi

by Foivos 6y ago

In 2011-2012, when 4G started becoming mainstream, did you make similar claims? For example, did you say something in the lines of “why would I want to watch videos on my phone? 3G is more than enough for the browsing I am doing now?” 4G might be good enough for you right now, but your needs will increase, way more and way faster than you expect. Remember this the next time you try to do a video call / watch an HD video / etc. If we had stayed in 3G, you would not be able to do any of these, but when 4G was introduced you did not feel any need for them.

XMPPwocky 6y ago
> but your needs will increase, way more and way faster than you expect. Forever? Is there no bandwidth so great that most users would be happy with it? Can new uses for extra bandwidth always be found, and do at least some of those uses always significantly improve the user experience? > Remember this the next time you try to do a video call / watch an HD video / etc. If we had stayed in 3G, you would not be able to do any of these I wouldn't? News to me! I just disabled 4G on my phone, which fell back to HSPA+ with a fast.com result of about 7mbps. I then successfully tested a Zoom test meeting with video (worked fine) and watched a YouTube video at 1080p (buffered for three seconds at the start, noticeably longer than usual, but then played fine). So what's going on there?
- Foivos 6y ago
  > Forever? Is there no bandwidth so great that most users would be happy with it? Can new uses for extra bandwidth always be found, and do at least some of those uses always significantly improve the user experience? The fact is that every year mobile data consumption is increasing significantly and it is expected to continue this trend. I do not have an opinion on whether more data equals better user experience. > I just disabled 4G on my phone, which fell back to HSPA+ with a fast.com result of about 7mbps. I then successfully tested a Zoom test meeting with video (worked fine) and watched a YouTube video at 1080p (buffered for three seconds at the start, noticeably longer than usual, but then played fine). Without knowing the context of your set up, I can only guess. I would say that not that many people use 3G in your area, so you used an uncongested cell.
thelazydogsback 6y ago
No, I did not say that - 3G was slow enough to be bothersome for simple tasks. Not everything is relative. There are absolutes, and there are diminishing returns on investment, and a differences between creating tools that solve problems and creating infrastructure in search of problems. But I suppose I should be happy for anything that drives growth, or even appears that it may, at this point.
Rury 6y ago
Idk, I still don't know why anyone would want to watch videos on their phone, and I have a 4G phone capable of showing videos... (watching videos on other devices is way better). I mean, since the invention of semi trucks, you could technically can send me ~40 tons of postcards to me all in one shipment, which would be impossible in the days where postcards were sent via a guy with a satchel on horseback, but then why aren't you sending me 40 tons of postcards right now? Why would you even want to? Don't get me wrong, semi trucks certainly have it's uses and has enabled many things, so would 5G provided it does something better than 4G, but I can see why some people would go "Why would you want more of that?" Not everyone has the same wants and needs. These days, latency seems more problematic to me than bandwidth. Unfortunately though, short of optimizing networks, and reducing the distance between server and client, there's not much that can be done for latency...
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- smabie 6y ago
  You've never watched a video on your phone in your entire life?
- sobani 6y ago
  > Not everyone has the same wants and needs. And that's why 4G is useful for a lot of people even if it's not useful for you specifically. 5G will be similar. _You_ might not benefit, but a lot of other people will.
mayama 6y ago
With datacaps that could run through 5G in seconds, it makes little sense in opting for 5G instead of 4G. Which costs more and with less battery life.

by Foivos 6y ago

XMPPwocky 6y ago

> but your needs will increase, way more and way faster than you expect. Forever? Is there no bandwidth so great that most users would be happy with it? Can new uses for extra bandwidth always be found, and do at least some of those uses always significantly improve the user experience? > Remember this the next time you try to do a video call / watch an HD video / etc. If we had stayed in 3G, you would not be able to do any of these I wouldn't? News to me! I just disabled 4G on my phone, which fell back to HSPA+ with a fast.com result of about 7mbps. I then successfully tested a Zoom test meeting with video (worked fine) and watched a YouTube video at 1080p (buffered for three seconds at the start, noticeably longer than usual, but then played fine). So what's going on there?

Foivos 6y ago
> Forever? Is there no bandwidth so great that most users would be happy with it? Can new uses for extra bandwidth always be found, and do at least some of those uses always significantly improve the user experience? The fact is that every year mobile data consumption is increasing significantly and it is expected to continue this trend. I do not have an opinion on whether more data equals better user experience. > I just disabled 4G on my phone, which fell back to HSPA+ with a fast.com result of about 7mbps. I then successfully tested a Zoom test meeting with video (worked fine) and watched a YouTube video at 1080p (buffered for three seconds at the start, noticeably longer than usual, but then played fine). Without knowing the context of your set up, I can only guess. I would say that not that many people use 3G in your area, so you used an uncongested cell.

thelazydogsback 6y ago

No, I did not say that - 3G was slow enough to be bothersome for simple tasks. Not everything is relative. There are absolutes, and there are diminishing returns on investment, and a differences between creating tools that solve problems and creating infrastructure in search of problems. But I suppose I should be happy for anything that drives growth, or even appears that it may, at this point.

Rury 6y ago

Idk, I still don't know why anyone would want to watch videos on their phone, and I have a 4G phone capable of showing videos... (watching videos on other devices is way better). I mean, since the invention of semi trucks, you could technically can send me ~40 tons of postcards to me all in one shipment, which would be impossible in the days where postcards were sent via a guy with a satchel on horseback, but then why aren't you sending me 40 tons of postcards right now? Why would you even want to? Don't get me wrong, semi trucks certainly have it's uses and has enabled many things, so would 5G provided it does something better than 4G, but I can see why some people would go "Why would you want more of that?" Not everyone has the same wants and needs. These days, latency seems more problematic to me than bandwidth. Unfortunately though, short of optimizing networks, and reducing the distance between server and client, there's not much that can be done for latency...

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smabie 6y ago
You've never watched a video on your phone in your entire life?
sobani 6y ago
> Not everyone has the same wants and needs. And that's why 4G is useful for a lot of people even if it's not useful for you specifically. 5G will be similar. _You_ might not benefit, but a lot of other people will.

mayama 6y ago

With datacaps that could run through 5G in seconds, it makes little sense in opting for 5G instead of 4G. Which costs more and with less battery life.