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I wish Mozilla would join them by publishing a Firefox for iOS with their own renderer and Javascript (which they have been prevented from doing). Get booted an

I wish Mozilla would join them by publishing a Firefox for iOS with their own renderer and Javascript (which they have been prevented from doing). Get booted and join the lawsuit. That's the activist Mozilla I can get behind.

tomp 6y ago
How is Mozilla to do that? AFAIK Epic did their move by pushing "legal" iOS code, then doing an over-the-air update of adding non-Apple payment system. Mozilla can't just push a rendering & JavaScript engine "over the air".
- schmichael 6y ago
  Ah, fair.
- dilap 6y ago
  Can't they? Is app review actually disassembling the code to see what capabilities it has? Just include both native renderer and webkit, and over the air switch which you use.
  - dimmke 6y ago
    It’d get picked up by binary scanning tools. “Why did your ipa triple in size?” Plus I doubt Mozilla is in the mode to burn months of programmers time on a stunt right now.
- nodamage 6y ago
  > AFAIK Epic did their move by pushing "legal" iOS code, then doing an over-the-air update of adding non-Apple payment system. No, the code was hidden in the app itself, just disabled via server-side flag. After the app was approved they then flipped the flag to enable it. Source: Epic admits this in their legal filings.
- basch 6y ago
  compile firefox to javascript, render to canvas, stream the browser on app open.
procombo 6y ago
You think Mozilla still has it in them? As a long time Apple user, and open software advocate I'd literally cry tears of joy. I'd also have to throw Zuck a bone if FB joined. I really just want Apple to separate their code signing (Developer) service with their advertising and distribution service (App Store).
- Razengan 6y ago
  > I'd also have to throw Zuck a bone if FB joined. As a user, it’s appalling to see developers taking the side of user-hostile companies in order to take down a company trying to protect users. It makes me want to avoid any products from such companies and developers.
jsjohnst 6y ago
> I wish Mozilla would join them by publishing a Firefox for iOS with their own renderer and Javascript It would likely be unusably slow if they did. Apple doesn’t allow apps in the store with the required entitlements to make an optimized JavaScript engine of entirely Mozilla’s design.

tomp 6y ago

How is Mozilla to do that? AFAIK Epic did their move by pushing "legal" iOS code, then doing an over-the-air update of adding non-Apple payment system. Mozilla can't just push a rendering & JavaScript engine "over the air".

schmichael 6y ago
Ah, fair.
dilap 6y ago
Can't they? Is app review actually disassembling the code to see what capabilities it has? Just include both native renderer and webkit, and over the air switch which you use.
- dimmke 6y ago
  It’d get picked up by binary scanning tools. “Why did your ipa triple in size?” Plus I doubt Mozilla is in the mode to burn months of programmers time on a stunt right now.
nodamage 6y ago
> AFAIK Epic did their move by pushing "legal" iOS code, then doing an over-the-air update of adding non-Apple payment system. No, the code was hidden in the app itself, just disabled via server-side flag. After the app was approved they then flipped the flag to enable it. Source: Epic admits this in their legal filings.
basch 6y ago
compile firefox to javascript, render to canvas, stream the browser on app open.

procombo 6y ago

You think Mozilla still has it in them? As a long time Apple user, and open software advocate I'd literally cry tears of joy. I'd also have to throw Zuck a bone if FB joined. I really just want Apple to separate their code signing (Developer) service with their advertising and distribution service (App Store).

Razengan 6y ago
> I'd also have to throw Zuck a bone if FB joined. As a user, it’s appalling to see developers taking the side of user-hostile companies in order to take down a company trying to protect users. It makes me want to avoid any products from such companies and developers.

jsjohnst 6y ago

> I wish Mozilla would join them by publishing a Firefox for iOS with their own renderer and Javascript It would likely be unusably slow if they did. Apple doesn’t allow apps in the store with the required entitlements to make an optimized JavaScript engine of entirely Mozilla’s design.