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So, for app developers, there's no feasible strategy out of it. Apps need social login, disabling it at all is out of the question. Implementing any social log

So, for app developers, there's no feasible strategy out of it. Apps need social login, disabling it at all is out of the question. Implementing any social login means implement login with Apple ID (and following desing guidelines), or app will not pass review. By default, login with Apple gives a bogus email not connected to anything, so there's no way to send there a random password "just in case Apple want to kick us out". And app cannot ask for real email just in case, because it will not pass the review. Check and mate.

mvanbaak 6y ago
The flaw in your comment is: "just in case Apple want to kick us out" If you simply decide to break the terms of your contract with them, yes, they will kick you out. But this is not 'in case Apple wants'. It's because the developer wants to break contract.
- m3kw9 6y ago
  The “if Apple wants..” is a line of argument many are making here. To me Epic is disgusting in trying to pose as a saviour, but at the end for them is about more money.
- SergeAx 6y ago
  Tell that to the author of HN reader app, which was twice rejected for not applying censorship inside his app [0] [0] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=24410652 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=24410652
  - user5994461 6y ago
    That example is pure bullshit. Apple and Google have banned applications about COVID since the world was littered with apps and scams trying profit from the COVID pandemic. The author is making a news app that's promoting COVID articles and content, so it got instant banned on sight. That's super clear cut and straightforward even though he doesn't like that. You really shouldn't call that censorship. You're making a disservice to countries who experience real censorship, where people risk their life for saying innocent things.
    - SergeAx 6y ago
      The app is just a viewer for this very website we are having a discussion at. And yes, there are articles on this site with COVID in text or even heading (oops, I did it again!). Banning app for showing this content among other is literally a demand for implementing China-like keyword censorship.
badwolf 6y ago
Apps don't HAVE to have social login.
- SergeAx 6y ago
  Yes, they don't, but omitting it will greatly increase signups friction, which means less registered users, less retention and less revenue at the end of the day.

mvanbaak 6y ago

The flaw in your comment is: "just in case Apple want to kick us out" If you simply decide to break the terms of your contract with them, yes, they will kick you out. But this is not 'in case Apple wants'. It's because the developer wants to break contract.

m3kw9 6y ago
The “if Apple wants..” is a line of argument many are making here. To me Epic is disgusting in trying to pose as a saviour, but at the end for them is about more money.
SergeAx 6y ago
Tell that to the author of HN reader app, which was twice rejected for not applying censorship inside his app [0] [0] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=24410652 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=24410652
- user5994461 6y ago
  That example is pure bullshit. Apple and Google have banned applications about COVID since the world was littered with apps and scams trying profit from the COVID pandemic. The author is making a news app that's promoting COVID articles and content, so it got instant banned on sight. That's super clear cut and straightforward even though he doesn't like that. You really shouldn't call that censorship. You're making a disservice to countries who experience real censorship, where people risk their life for saying innocent things.
  - SergeAx 6y ago
    The app is just a viewer for this very website we are having a discussion at. And yes, there are articles on this site with COVID in text or even heading (oops, I did it again!). Banning app for showing this content among other is literally a demand for implementing China-like keyword censorship.

badwolf 6y ago

Apps don't HAVE to have social login.

SergeAx 6y ago
Yes, they don't, but omitting it will greatly increase signups friction, which means less registered users, less retention and less revenue at the end of the day.