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I agree with you that a billion-dollar company is practically necessary to fight Apple on issues like this. What I don't like, though, is that Epic are trying

I agree with you that a billion-dollar company is practically necessary to fight Apple on issues like this. What I don't like, though, is that Epic are trying to portray themselves as the little guy fighting for the users' rights throughout all this, as seen in the "Nineteen Eighty-Fortnite" ad. They're being dishonest in their self-image, and that taints my perception of them because I wonder what else they're being dishonest about.

wayneftw 6y ago
They are relatively smaller and if they win this fight, all the little guys that are rooting for them will win as well. Here's a visualization so you can see how much smaller a billion is than a trillion - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xAoK38U8gDU https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xAoK38U8gDU
- DonaldPShimoda 6y ago
  I mean, I understand that. My issue is that it feels like Epic is being dishonest. Their motives are clearly self-interested: they want the ability to run their own Epic Store so they can secure more profits than going through Apple. So when they try to act like they're the little guy fighting for what's in people's best interests — that leaves a sour taste in my mouth, regardless of whether the outcome is for the best.
  - wayneftw 6y ago
    I want the ability to run my own app store so I can secure more profits than going through Apple. I want side loading too. I’m a little guy. Am I a bad guy though because I want freedom for me and my own customers to interface digitally with one another without going through Apple? Half of my customers have an iPhone and Apple didn’t bring these customers to me they were mine.
  - donmcronald 6y ago
    I'd love to have an alternate app store. I think all the current app stores are anti-competitive to the point they're stifling innovation, so competition would be good for everyone but the rent seekers. I also think a big PR campaign is just part of the game. I mean look at how successful Apple's been at convincing people their only motive is security and privacy for their users. At least there's some awareness being raised for both developers and users. The app stores are hugely successful demand aggregation platforms and the result of that is developers becoming a commodity. Apple and Google don't care which million developers are in their stores and beyond the top 100 apps the developers are nothing more than interchangeable cogs.
  - mywittyname 6y ago
    Everyone's motives in a civil suit is self-interest.

wayneftw 6y ago

They are relatively smaller and if they win this fight, all the little guys that are rooting for them will win as well. Here's a visualization so you can see how much smaller a billion is than a trillion - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xAoK38U8gDU https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xAoK38U8gDU

DonaldPShimoda 6y ago
I mean, I understand that. My issue is that it feels like Epic is being dishonest. Their motives are clearly self-interested: they want the ability to run their own Epic Store so they can secure more profits than going through Apple. So when they try to act like they're the little guy fighting for what's in people's best interests — that leaves a sour taste in my mouth, regardless of whether the outcome is for the best.
- wayneftw 6y ago
  I want the ability to run my own app store so I can secure more profits than going through Apple. I want side loading too. I’m a little guy. Am I a bad guy though because I want freedom for me and my own customers to interface digitally with one another without going through Apple? Half of my customers have an iPhone and Apple didn’t bring these customers to me they were mine.
- donmcronald 6y ago
  I'd love to have an alternate app store. I think all the current app stores are anti-competitive to the point they're stifling innovation, so competition would be good for everyone but the rent seekers. I also think a big PR campaign is just part of the game. I mean look at how successful Apple's been at convincing people their only motive is security and privacy for their users. At least there's some awareness being raised for both developers and users. The app stores are hugely successful demand aggregation platforms and the result of that is developers becoming a commodity. Apple and Google don't care which million developers are in their stores and beyond the top 100 apps the developers are nothing more than interchangeable cogs.
- mywittyname 6y ago
  Everyone's motives in a civil suit is self-interest.