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> If you think it’s your duty, there is no contract with society that others should subsidize your dutifulness. But neither do the rest of us have any obligati

> If you think it’s your duty, there is no contract with society that others should subsidize your dutifulness. But neither do the rest of us have any obligation not to band together and vote in legislators who will tax the shit out of the childless-by-choice — because in the long term, the childless-by-choice are the ones being subsidized by those who us who have raised children. Don't like it? Then do something about it, or move elsewhere.

jelliclesfarm 6y ago
How are the childless by choice subsidized? Are they given free services? When you have a child, 12 years of education(amongst other things(are handed over free). That’s 10k minimum/annum. Totally 120k worth of free education. PER CHILD. The more children one can have, more benefits. Net benefits exceed that by several hundreds of thousands. The childless get NOTHING. If they are successful enough financially, they are taxed for their entire lifetime to support those whose children get subsidized. And still the whining and whinging and cries for the red badge of honor. I am embarrassed for you lot. Wtf do you they need compassion for? I think of it as charity. Forced charity because my species is less equipped and capable than a band of apes in the jungle when it comes to resources management and survival and child rearing. I have nothing left to give. It’s like literally handing over money to someone for their choice to have sex without protection and children without a plan. Forget about compassion. How about some gratitude. The kids raised by these inept parents are going to be a further burden on society because they will literally have zero survival skills and a whole lot of entitlement. I am not moving anywhere. Those who can’t handle CA are moving elsewhere anyways. (I am looking at you Austen Allred of YC’s Lambda..spewing your snark about quitting CA for Utah...couldn’t you quit gracefully without spitting on the valley that made you successful?) Maybe withholding on the emotional blackmail and virtue signaling demands and rallying cries for more ‘compassion’ will finally make adults out of the whiners. You know what I see? I see a dystopian orange world out of my window. I see farm workers picking up YOUR food in this toxic soup weather and taking care of their children. While tech..and YC, I am looking at you..Michael Siebel, I am looking at YOU..because agtech for YC wasn’t profitable for food producing farms ..did NOTHING to fix the Ag in our state and the dire situation of the people bringing food to YOUR TABLES. I have literally ZERO compassion. Your air is clean. Farm workers are picking food under falling ash while tech twits are debugging Tinder. If we all starve because our Ag system crumbles, I still won’t have any compassion. Silicon Valley and tech sphere have FAILED the human race and our means for survival. Breeding children is not enough. We also have to make sure the world we LEAVE BEHIND for them is not straight out of the Blade Runner movie. Handle your kids. Farm workers are literally filling their lungs with ash and smoke to feed the fruits of your loins. Fucking hell!!
- dctoedt 6y ago
  Binyamin Appelbaum said about Milton Friedman that he celebrated drivers but took roads for granted. Seems to me that you're doing much the same thing.
  - jelliclesfarm 6y ago
    I still didn’t get an answer to my query regarding your claim that childless by choice are getting subsidized by people like you who have children. Those were fighting words. Back them up or go your way and have a great rest of the week.
    - satyrnein 6y ago
      I'm not aware of any direct subsidies, but Medicare and Social Security are paid for by other people's kids, right? More broadly, if a person utilizes a product or service provided by people of a younger generation, does any consumer surplus count as free riding? On the other side, school is certainly an expensive subsidy to children, and so are regulations that make things safe for children, and probably other categories I'm not thinking of. I'm not sure how it nets out.
      - jelliclesfarm 6y ago
        Not ‘free riding’ unless it’s free. Your roads, schools, infrastructure was paid for by the previous generation. In an average senior’s working years, three generations of school education has been subsidized. And they get no tax subsidies or benefits. Never mind the bonds and extra parcel taxes that property owners pay. And when they retire and Medicare and SSN kicks in at age 65, that’s 10-25 years of minimal payments. It nets out as a working citizen subsidizing on average 3 generations of school children to gain perhaps one generation ‘paying them back’ and even that might not happen because ssn comes from 40 quarters of employment. And 65 years of even unemployed citizenry paying sales taxes and shouldering an economy. Never mind fees, licenses, permits..taxed from everything water to power to road use to driving licenses. And society accepts this. And pays. And bears it. Having said all that..It is rich for parents to act as victims and martyrs for taking care of their own children and claiming that their contribution to the gene pool is a sacrifice they have made while the childless are free loaders. I am embarrassed for the half brain cell that is working overtime in those who have made this claim and proceeded to shame the rest of the populace. A tunicate is a marine invertebrate that hangs on to rocks. Adult tunicates have a hollow cerebral ganglion, equivalent to a brain, and a hollow structure known as a neural gland. They procreate. A sea squirt that is a kind of tunicate is famous for eating it’s own brain. If you poke it , they will squirt in defense. They decided that being mobile was too much of a hassle and decided to eat their own brain because our brains evolved to assist our mobility. They too reproduce. They haven’t asked for a medal for procreating, afaik. Or shamed those who didn’t. Haven’t gone extinct. Yet. Just sayin’!!!!

jelliclesfarm 6y ago

How are the childless by choice subsidized? Are they given free services? When you have a child, 12 years of education(amongst other things(are handed over free). That’s 10k minimum/annum. Totally 120k worth of free education. PER CHILD. The more children one can have, more benefits. Net benefits exceed that by several hundreds of thousands. The childless get NOTHING. If they are successful enough financially, they are taxed for their entire lifetime to support those whose children get subsidized. And still the whining and whinging and cries for the red badge of honor. I am embarrassed for you lot. Wtf do you they need compassion for? I think of it as charity. Forced charity because my species is less equipped and capable than a band of apes in the jungle when it comes to resources management and survival and child rearing. I have nothing left to give. It’s like literally handing over money to someone for their choice to have sex without protection and children without a plan. Forget about compassion. How about some gratitude. The kids raised by these inept parents are going to be a further burden on society because they will literally have zero survival skills and a whole lot of entitlement. I am not moving anywhere. Those who can’t handle CA are moving elsewhere anyways. (I am looking at you Austen Allred of YC’s Lambda..spewing your snark about quitting CA for Utah...couldn’t you quit gracefully without spitting on the valley that made you successful?) Maybe withholding on the emotional blackmail and virtue signaling demands and rallying cries for more ‘compassion’ will finally make adults out of the whiners. You know what I see? I see a dystopian orange world out of my window. I see farm workers picking up YOUR food in this toxic soup weather and taking care of their children. While tech..and YC, I am looking at you..Michael Siebel, I am looking at YOU..because agtech for YC wasn’t profitable for food producing farms ..did NOTHING to fix the Ag in our state and the dire situation of the people bringing food to YOUR TABLES. I have literally ZERO compassion. Your air is clean. Farm workers are picking food under falling ash while tech twits are debugging Tinder. If we all starve because our Ag system crumbles, I still won’t have any compassion. Silicon Valley and tech sphere have FAILED the human race and our means for survival. Breeding children is not enough. We also have to make sure the world we LEAVE BEHIND for them is not straight out of the Blade Runner movie. Handle your kids. Farm workers are literally filling their lungs with ash and smoke to feed the fruits of your loins. Fucking hell!!

dctoedt 6y ago
Binyamin Appelbaum said about Milton Friedman that he celebrated drivers but took roads for granted. Seems to me that you're doing much the same thing.
- jelliclesfarm 6y ago
  I still didn’t get an answer to my query regarding your claim that childless by choice are getting subsidized by people like you who have children. Those were fighting words. Back them up or go your way and have a great rest of the week.
  - satyrnein 6y ago
    I'm not aware of any direct subsidies, but Medicare and Social Security are paid for by other people's kids, right? More broadly, if a person utilizes a product or service provided by people of a younger generation, does any consumer surplus count as free riding? On the other side, school is certainly an expensive subsidy to children, and so are regulations that make things safe for children, and probably other categories I'm not thinking of. I'm not sure how it nets out.
    - jelliclesfarm 6y ago
      Not ‘free riding’ unless it’s free. Your roads, schools, infrastructure was paid for by the previous generation. In an average senior’s working years, three generations of school education has been subsidized. And they get no tax subsidies or benefits. Never mind the bonds and extra parcel taxes that property owners pay. And when they retire and Medicare and SSN kicks in at age 65, that’s 10-25 years of minimal payments. It nets out as a working citizen subsidizing on average 3 generations of school children to gain perhaps one generation ‘paying them back’ and even that might not happen because ssn comes from 40 quarters of employment. And 65 years of even unemployed citizenry paying sales taxes and shouldering an economy. Never mind fees, licenses, permits..taxed from everything water to power to road use to driving licenses. And society accepts this. And pays. And bears it. Having said all that..It is rich for parents to act as victims and martyrs for taking care of their own children and claiming that their contribution to the gene pool is a sacrifice they have made while the childless are free loaders. I am embarrassed for the half brain cell that is working overtime in those who have made this claim and proceeded to shame the rest of the populace. A tunicate is a marine invertebrate that hangs on to rocks. Adult tunicates have a hollow cerebral ganglion, equivalent to a brain, and a hollow structure known as a neural gland. They procreate. A sea squirt that is a kind of tunicate is famous for eating it’s own brain. If you poke it , they will squirt in defense. They decided that being mobile was too much of a hassle and decided to eat their own brain because our brains evolved to assist our mobility. They too reproduce. They haven’t asked for a medal for procreating, afaik. Or shamed those who didn’t. Haven’t gone extinct. Yet. Just sayin’!!!!