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Microsoft has allowed sideloading and community developed games and apps on Xbox for a while now.

Spivak 6y ago
I don't think regulators will really see a difference when it comes to the actual market forces at play. If MS doesn't bless your game it's dead regardless of if it's technically possible to get it to run.
- supernovae 6y ago
  Well, Apple crossed that bridge, Microsoft hasn't. I can't for the life of me care what Xbox does when they're not kicking publishers off the store and obviously Epic has their games on Xbox and Playstation so something is different/better in that relationship. Truth is Xbox does have independent developer programs and you can sideload games.
  - jsjohnst 6y ago
    > Truth is Xbox does have independent developer programs and you can sideload games. Truth is, iOS has the same. You have been able to sideload apps on iOS, without paying for a developer account, for years.
    - mmis1000 6y ago
      I wouldn't count `you need to connect to the mac and install the apps every 7 days unless you have a development program that cost $100 a year` as `You have been able to sideload apps on iOS`. It need to at least be persistent or it didn't count.
      - jsjohnst 6y ago
        > you need to connect to the mac and install the apps every 7 days Except you don’t! I really recommend looking at AltStore before judging the convenience based on how things were years ago when you last had the whim to look.
        mmis1000 6y ago
        Isn't is literally show the `7 Days` on their home page? Except this time, they bypass the physical connect requirement with wifi.
        jsjohnst 6y ago
        The AltStore app refreshes automatically in the background, so as long as your phone is on the same wifi once per seven days, that’s it. You don’t need to do anything else. Try reading past the fold and you’ll find direct quotes like this: > AltStore will periodically attempt to refresh your apps in the background, and you can always manually refresh your apps from within AltStore.
        mmis1000 6y ago
        I honestly though "you can keep the app as long as you connect the wifi" and "safari won't wipe your data a long as you enter the site one time in every several days" the same kind of bs. It's not solution, it is workaround for the apple's creepy behavior.
        jsjohnst 6y ago
        > It's not solution Because you don’t want solutions, you just want to complain about Apple not doing exactly what you want when you want. Apple’s not your company if you expect them to cater to your whims, that’s never been their MO (for better or for worse). > apple's creepy behavior Really?
  - pjmlp 6y ago
    The games that you are allowed to sideload are written with UWP, which is not what official XBox games use. UWP runs in a sandbox castrated XBox environment. > For games development, Xbox One, like other games consoles, is a specialized piece of hardware that requires a specific hardware-based development kit to access its full potential. If you are working on a game that requires access to the maximum potential of the Xbox One hardware, consider registering with the ID@Xbox program to get access to an Xbox One development kit. https://docs.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/uwp/xbox-apps/system-resource-allocation https://docs.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/uwp/xbox-apps/syste...
- fxtentacle 6y ago
  I think regulators will see the difference between Apple kicking out developers, and Microsoft letting them in while not promoting them.

I don't think regulators will really see a difference when it comes to the actual market forces at play. If MS doesn't bless your game it's dead regardless of if it's technically possible to get it to run.

supernovae 6y ago
Well, Apple crossed that bridge, Microsoft hasn't. I can't for the life of me care what Xbox does when they're not kicking publishers off the store and obviously Epic has their games on Xbox and Playstation so something is different/better in that relationship. Truth is Xbox does have independent developer programs and you can sideload games.
- jsjohnst 6y ago
  > Truth is Xbox does have independent developer programs and you can sideload games. Truth is, iOS has the same. You have been able to sideload apps on iOS, without paying for a developer account, for years.
  - mmis1000 6y ago
    I wouldn't count `you need to connect to the mac and install the apps every 7 days unless you have a development program that cost $100 a year` as `You have been able to sideload apps on iOS`. It need to at least be persistent or it didn't count.
    - jsjohnst 6y ago
      > you need to connect to the mac and install the apps every 7 days Except you don’t! I really recommend looking at AltStore before judging the convenience based on how things were years ago when you last had the whim to look.
      - mmis1000 6y ago
        Isn't is literally show the `7 Days` on their home page? Except this time, they bypass the physical connect requirement with wifi.
        jsjohnst 6y ago
        The AltStore app refreshes automatically in the background, so as long as your phone is on the same wifi once per seven days, that’s it. You don’t need to do anything else. Try reading past the fold and you’ll find direct quotes like this: > AltStore will periodically attempt to refresh your apps in the background, and you can always manually refresh your apps from within AltStore.
        mmis1000 6y ago
        I honestly though "you can keep the app as long as you connect the wifi" and "safari won't wipe your data a long as you enter the site one time in every several days" the same kind of bs. It's not solution, it is workaround for the apple's creepy behavior.
        jsjohnst 6y ago
        > It's not solution Because you don’t want solutions, you just want to complain about Apple not doing exactly what you want when you want. Apple’s not your company if you expect them to cater to your whims, that’s never been their MO (for better or for worse). > apple's creepy behavior Really?
- pjmlp 6y ago
  The games that you are allowed to sideload are written with UWP, which is not what official XBox games use. UWP runs in a sandbox castrated XBox environment. > For games development, Xbox One, like other games consoles, is a specialized piece of hardware that requires a specific hardware-based development kit to access its full potential. If you are working on a game that requires access to the maximum potential of the Xbox One hardware, consider registering with the ID@Xbox program to get access to an Xbox One development kit. https://docs.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/uwp/xbox-apps/system-resource-allocation https://docs.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/uwp/xbox-apps/syste...
fxtentacle 6y ago
I think regulators will see the difference between Apple kicking out developers, and Microsoft letting them in while not promoting them.