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A petty move like this clearly shows that Apple as a company has nothing valuable to offer developers. Shutting down "sign in" options shows that internally, A

A petty move like this clearly shows that Apple as a company has nothing valuable to offer developers. Shutting down "sign in" options shows that internally, Apple is looking for a way to hurt Epic in a manner that hurts the most but they are coming up short. Although iOS accounts for over one-thirds of Fortnite's 360million users, Epic has already made the brave decision to let that portion of revenue go and nothing Apple does will hurt them into begging Apple to let them back into their walled garden.

DonaldPShimoda 6y ago
I don't think this is a specific targeted thing. It just comes with the general deactivation of the Epic account. It's the same as the whole "Apple is banning all apps made with Unreal Engine!" which was a poor take on the issue. (What actually happened was Apple un-approved Epic's license, which had a cascading effect because Unreal Engine was signed under the same license, and so software dependent on Unreal Engine became no longer signed and thus was not going to be allowed on the App Store.) I'm not saying Apple's in the right here, but people keep construing it as Apple "looking for way[s] to hurt Epic" and I don't think that's quite what's going on. Epic performed a significant breach of the App Store terms in a way never tried before, and the repercussions (which are detailed in those terms!) are being enforced on a scale never seen before. But it's not like Apple's execs are scouring, looking for minute and petty ways to hurt Epic. They're just going to let the lawsuit run its course, and in the meantime enforce the terms of the agreement (willingly broken by Epic) to the fullest capacity.
- mthoms 6y ago
  >What actually happened was Apple un-approved Epic's license, which had a cascading effect because Unreal Engine was signed under the same license, and so software dependent on Unreal Engine became no longer signed and thus was not going to be allowed on the App Store. Developers using Unreal Engine certainly do not sign their app with Epic's credentials.
  - DonaldPShimoda 6y ago
    No, I mean the Engine is signed with Epic's credentials, so if the Unreal Engine isn't approved for App Store stuff because Epic's credentials are revoked then things dependent on it are impacted.
    - mthoms 6y ago
      That’s still not how it works. Apple attempted to remove Epic from its developer program completely, meaning they wouldn’t have access to the tools to keep the engine up to date. It has nothing to do with signing.
m3kw9 6y ago
Correction: nothing to offer to developers that breaks the terms in such purposeful way. Completely premeditated move from Epic deserve exactly what Epic expects
- greycol 6y ago
  I agree, it's just like when I put in a contract with my employees that they're not allowed to talk about their salaries. If they talk about their salaries then boom! Fired! Or when I put in the contract tips go straight to the business. You don't put your tips in at the end of the night, Boom! Fired! You can't expect me to keep you employed if you don't follow the contract. Hell I've even had some of them come up to me and say those terms are illegal but I put in the contract that you can't complain about the conract, so... Boom! Fired! They knew they would be so why are they even complaining, idiots?
  - m3kw9 6y ago
    You can also make the exaggerated example if you look at someone the wrong way you get fired for harassment. The point is your analogies is not even close to what is happening in the Apple vs Epic case
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    - greycol 6y ago
      Literally the backbone of Epic's case is the terms that Epic are breaking are illegal and so can not be enforced. The case would have been dismissed as having no merit if this was not at least in question. The US and EU are looking into Apple as breaching anti trust rules and you are honestly saying that for you these aren't even close: Employee ignores contract terms they know to be illegal, gets punished for it because boss doesn't think it's illegal, employee takes boss to court. and Epic ignores contract terms they know to be illegal, gets punished for it because Apple doesn't think it's illegal, Epic takes Apple to court. ?

DonaldPShimoda 6y ago

I don't think this is a specific targeted thing. It just comes with the general deactivation of the Epic account. It's the same as the whole "Apple is banning all apps made with Unreal Engine!" which was a poor take on the issue. (What actually happened was Apple un-approved Epic's license, which had a cascading effect because Unreal Engine was signed under the same license, and so software dependent on Unreal Engine became no longer signed and thus was not going to be allowed on the App Store.) I'm not saying Apple's in the right here, but people keep construing it as Apple "looking for way[s] to hurt Epic" and I don't think that's quite what's going on. Epic performed a significant breach of the App Store terms in a way never tried before, and the repercussions (which are detailed in those terms!) are being enforced on a scale never seen before. But it's not like Apple's execs are scouring, looking for minute and petty ways to hurt Epic. They're just going to let the lawsuit run its course, and in the meantime enforce the terms of the agreement (willingly broken by Epic) to the fullest capacity.

mthoms 6y ago
>What actually happened was Apple un-approved Epic's license, which had a cascading effect because Unreal Engine was signed under the same license, and so software dependent on Unreal Engine became no longer signed and thus was not going to be allowed on the App Store. Developers using Unreal Engine certainly do not sign their app with Epic's credentials.
- DonaldPShimoda 6y ago
  No, I mean the Engine is signed with Epic's credentials, so if the Unreal Engine isn't approved for App Store stuff because Epic's credentials are revoked then things dependent on it are impacted.
  - mthoms 6y ago
    That’s still not how it works. Apple attempted to remove Epic from its developer program completely, meaning they wouldn’t have access to the tools to keep the engine up to date. It has nothing to do with signing.

m3kw9 6y ago

Correction: nothing to offer to developers that breaks the terms in such purposeful way. Completely premeditated move from Epic deserve exactly what Epic expects

greycol 6y ago
I agree, it's just like when I put in a contract with my employees that they're not allowed to talk about their salaries. If they talk about their salaries then boom! Fired! Or when I put in the contract tips go straight to the business. You don't put your tips in at the end of the night, Boom! Fired! You can't expect me to keep you employed if you don't follow the contract. Hell I've even had some of them come up to me and say those terms are illegal but I put in the contract that you can't complain about the conract, so... Boom! Fired! They knew they would be so why are they even complaining, idiots?
- m3kw9 6y ago
  You can also make the exaggerated example if you look at someone the wrong way you get fired for harassment. The point is your analogies is not even close to what is happening in the Apple vs Epic case
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  - greycol 6y ago
    Literally the backbone of Epic's case is the terms that Epic are breaking are illegal and so can not be enforced. The case would have been dismissed as having no merit if this was not at least in question. The US and EU are looking into Apple as breaching anti trust rules and you are honestly saying that for you these aren't even close: Employee ignores contract terms they know to be illegal, gets punished for it because boss doesn't think it's illegal, employee takes boss to court. and Epic ignores contract terms they know to be illegal, gets punished for it because Apple doesn't think it's illegal, Epic takes Apple to court. ?