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I'm amazed that Verizon is getting 2000mbps/10ms with 5G in certain places. I assume that's why they and Google pretty much ceased fiber roll-out.

by Apofis 6y ago

londons_explore 6y ago
To get those kind of speeds, you need fiber to every base station. And you need base stations on every street. So you need fiber to every street anyway.
- ninkendo 6y ago
  This is the difference between Fiber-to-the-Node and Fiber-to-the-Premises. FttN is already something that ISP's do without it being too newsworthy, but FttP is a much more expensive thing in general, because this last little bit of infrastructure is much more expensive per-customer than just running it to the Node and using existing cable or phone lines to reach your customer. Google/Verizon's "fiber roll-out" was FttP, and what GP was talking about, and it's very understandable to abandon that approach to just FttN plus 5G.
mdasen 6y ago
Verizon often has 1,000MHz+ of millimeter-wave spectrum and there's virtually no one using it. T-Mobile is getting 300Mbps speeds using only 40-60MHz of spectrum. Even LTE, when no one is using it, can easily hit a few hundred Mbps (and sometimes more) with traditional spectrum. As carriers are able to use double or triple the spectrum for 5G, we're going to get faster speeds. I think you're right that some halt of the fiber rollout is likely due to the impact that 5G will have. Even if mmWave spectrum can't go very far, it probably offers a good last-few-hundred-feet option. Instead of having to run fiber into someone's home, they can run fiber to their street and let a wireless link handle the last bit. They don't have to deal with construction permits, digging, coordinating with homeowners, etc. However, I don't know what the costs of 5G equipment are right now and there might be resistance from neighborhoods that don't want a 5G cell-site on top of a bunch of lamp-posts in their area. I don't find them that intrusive, but many people have strong aesthetic opinions on their neighborhoods. It'll be interesting to see how things turn out.
- wintermutestwin 6y ago
  >there might be resistance from neighborhoods that don't want a 5G cell-site on top of a bunch of lamp-posts in their area. IME, most of the resistance is from people who think that 5G is going to give them cancer. Pseudo-scientific anti-5G posts abound on local facebook groups.

I'm amazed that Verizon is getting 2000mbps/10ms with 5G in certain places. I assume that's why they and Google pretty much ceased fiber roll-out.

by Apofis 6y ago

I'm amazed that Verizon is getting 2000mbps/10ms with 5G in certain places. I assume that's why they and Google pretty much ceased fiber roll-out.

londons_explore 6y ago

To get those kind of speeds, you need fiber to every base station. And you need base stations on every street. So you need fiber to every street anyway.

ninkendo 6y ago
This is the difference between Fiber-to-the-Node and Fiber-to-the-Premises. FttN is already something that ISP's do without it being too newsworthy, but FttP is a much more expensive thing in general, because this last little bit of infrastructure is much more expensive per-customer than just running it to the Node and using existing cable or phone lines to reach your customer. Google/Verizon's "fiber roll-out" was FttP, and what GP was talking about, and it's very understandable to abandon that approach to just FttN plus 5G.

mdasen 6y ago

Verizon often has 1,000MHz+ of millimeter-wave spectrum and there's virtually no one using it. T-Mobile is getting 300Mbps speeds using only 40-60MHz of spectrum. Even LTE, when no one is using it, can easily hit a few hundred Mbps (and sometimes more) with traditional spectrum. As carriers are able to use double or triple the spectrum for 5G, we're going to get faster speeds. I think you're right that some halt of the fiber rollout is likely due to the impact that 5G will have. Even if mmWave spectrum can't go very far, it probably offers a good last-few-hundred-feet option. Instead of having to run fiber into someone's home, they can run fiber to their street and let a wireless link handle the last bit. They don't have to deal with construction permits, digging, coordinating with homeowners, etc. However, I don't know what the costs of 5G equipment are right now and there might be resistance from neighborhoods that don't want a 5G cell-site on top of a bunch of lamp-posts in their area. I don't find them that intrusive, but many people have strong aesthetic opinions on their neighborhoods. It'll be interesting to see how things turn out.

wintermutestwin 6y ago
>there might be resistance from neighborhoods that don't want a 5G cell-site on top of a bunch of lamp-posts in their area. IME, most of the resistance is from people who think that 5G is going to give them cancer. Pseudo-scientific anti-5G posts abound on local facebook groups.